Elizabeth Lane Elementary, 4 on great schools? (Charlotte, Davidson: 2015, home, neighborhood)
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This is our assigned neighborhood school and wondering what is going on that it is rated a 4 when the other schools that feed into providence high school are doing much better.
"Students at this school are making far less academic progress given where they were last year, compared to similar students in the state.
Very low progress with high test scores means students have strong academic skills but that students in this school are making smaller gains than similar students in other schools."
"Disadvantaged students at this school may be falling behind other students in the state, and this school may have significant achievement gaps."
I suggest you forego the extremely subjective and often biased reports in "Great Schools." And use the North Carolina Dept of Instruction web site to look at school score cards. Even though these are based on standardized test, and we all "know" those are not the only thing that matters, there is no opinion present.
Here is a link to your school's grades on the DPI "Report Card" site:
You will see the school is doing better than CMS and State average, and in the very recent past they were doing really well.
I am the absolute last person to defend CMS, but I always steer people to the DPI site.
The state, for reasons I will keep to myself, values "growth" over "scores." High performing schools are really penalized by a broad brush stroke such as this. Here's how it works: School A is performing at 45% and school B is performing at 87%. Next year, School A increases it percent to 58, while School B goes up to 87%. Which school has the highest growth.Where would you rather have your kid, school A or B?
I taught at a very high performing school as my 3d career for 10 years. Parents used to be stunned by our lack of growth. I had countless "urgent meetings" with parents over "growth." My example was simple. I run a yard service. I hire you, with the expectation of you moving 10 wheelbarrows a day. Day one, you move 2. Day two you move 4. Hey, great growth, and on Day 3 you move 7, more growth. Day 4, you are fired.
I suggest you forego the extremely subjective and often biased reports in "Great Schools." And use the North Carolina Dept of Instruction web site to look at school score cards. Even though these are based on standardized test, and we all "know" those are not the only thing that matters, there is no opinion present.
Here is a link to your school's grades on the DPI "Report Card" site:
You will see the school is doing better than CMS and State average, and in the very recent past they were doing really well.
I am the absolute last person to defend CMS, but I always steer people to the DPI site.
The state, for reasons I will keep to myself, values "growth" over "scores." High performing schools are really penalized by a broad brush stroke such as this. Here's how it works: School A is performing at 45% and school B is performing at 87%. Next year, School A increases it percent to 58, while School B goes up to 87%. Which school has the highest growth.Where would you rather have your kid, school A or B?
I taught at a very high performing school as my 3d career for 10 years. Parents used to be stunned by our lack of growth. I had countless "urgent meetings" with parents over "growth." My example was simple. I run a yard service. I hire you, with the expectation of you moving 10 wheelbarrows a day. Day one, you move 2. Day two you move 4. Hey, great growth, and on Day 3 you move 7, more growth. Day 4, you are fired.
Thank you for this information. We did look at the NC report card but was still confused as schools like Olde Providence and Providence Springs near us are have high test scores and better growth. I did not look through past year performance so that might be the next thing to analyze. This also concerns me for property values as people do look at the great school ratings when considering putting an offer into a home.
Thank you for this information. We did look at the NC report card but was still confused as schools like Olde Providence and Providence Springs near us are have high test scores and better growth. I did not look through past year performance so that might be the next thing to analyze. This also concerns me for property values as people do look at the great school ratings when considering putting an offer into a home.
I won’t speak for the school’s yearly growth. But EL consistently scores well above average on test scores and aptitude and is in an affluent area with involved parents and tons of active families.
As far as home value goes, the area is extremely desirable, all of the good listings through there are going quickly for above asking price, consistently. It is a safe investment. Nobody can tell what the market is going to do six months down the road, but that schools score is not negatively affecting home prices in the vicinity.
Thank you for this information. We did look at the NC report card but was still confused as schools like Olde Providence and Providence Springs near us are have high test scores and better growth. I did not look through past year performance so that might be the next thing to analyze. This also concerns me for property values as people do look at the great school ratings when considering putting an offer into a home.
People down here have gotten used to not checking greatschools, which is very unreliable. For example, last year GreatSchools had Elizabeth Lane ranked a 9/10 and Olde Providence a 6/10 and Providence Springs a 7/10. Then they change methods again and everything changes. They've changed methodologies every year so nobody can keep up with what their scores actually mean. How can a school be a 4/10, 9/10, 6/10, 8/10, et... all in a couple years? Its essentially a worthless score.
Elizabeth Lane is one of the best schools in Charlotte, period.
Is it though?
Even according to the link posted by LLN, it scored an 80 on the NC School Report Card. Just among traditional CMS Elementary Schools, the below scored higher (and not sure if I missed any):
Providence Spring 91
Polo Ridge 87
Bain 86
Hawk Ridge 86
McKee Road 85
Grand Oak 84
Davidson 83
Beverly Woods 82
So would still be top 10 based on the Overall Performance Grade, although I guess 3 of those (Bain, Grand Oak and Davidson) are not technically in Charlotte.
Although Elizabeth Lane had been higher particularly in 2015-2017 where it scored 87-88, but dropped to 83 in 2018 and 80 in 2019.
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