07-17-2013, 05:49 PM
Location: New York
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koctail
I understand how the draft thing works. My point is cities without a "culture" of ICE are not going to afford a good team and have any kind of fan base. Like I said before, you can count on one hand the big cities that do have ICE. So it is no surprise Blackhawks should win. They are champions of a sport only a few cities play at their level.
Lets get technical.
NHL teams with.. "ice" in the city:
Boston Bruins
New York Rangers
New York Islanders
New Jersey Devils
Philadelphia Flyers
Pittsburgh Penguins
Montreal Canadiens
Ottawa Senators
Toronto Maple Leafs
Buffalo Sabres
Columbus Blue Jackets
Detroit Red Wings
Chicago Blackhawks
Washington Capitals
Carolina Hurricanes
Minnesota Wild
Winnipeg Jets
St Louis Blues
Nashville Predators
Colorado Avalanche
Edomonton Oilers
Calgary Flames
Vancouver Canucks
That leaves..
San Jose Sharks
Los Angeles Kings
Anaheim Ducks
Phoenix Coyotes
Dallas Stars
Tampa Bay Lightning
Florida Panthers
without ice. Or lets just leave it at...... having "winter."
Teams were put in warmer areas to spread the footprint of not only the league, but grass roots level hockey in the community. There are tons and tons of draft picks now that come from warmer places (California hockey has I believe shot up 300%) and players are drafted from Texas, Florida, etc.
07-17-2013, 05:50 PM
Location: New York
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Not meaning to be a troll, but I find the obsession by white people for Blackhawks ridiculous. How many big cities in cold climates have ice hockey teams, maybe 5? So isn't it expected the Blackhawks should win? Where is the challenge and true competition in this?? Hardly deserving of the parade these players were honored with.
The Blackhawks went 49 years between Cups.
07-17-2013, 06:37 PM
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Th guy knew what he was doing...
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IEnjoyBeer
I cant fathom how the Blackhawks were not televised locally. You cant expect to attract new fans if you cannot watch them.
There was a certain kind of synergy that Wirtz mastered in developing the families hugely successful liquor business and the way he ran the other businesses -- you have to realize that prior to HDTV hockey was a pitiful experience to televise! The challenge of very high speed action, that cannot have cameras very close to the surface for valid technical reasons, a difficult to track puck and the relatively unpredictable nature of pauses in gameplay all contributed to lack of TV viewers. Running The Chicago Stadium & United Center PROFITABLY and without ANY GOVERNMENT funds for renovation were / are HUGE accomplishments.
For "his time" Bill Wirtz was a pretty savvy leader.
The fan base has always included an "interesting" mix of people with the financial means to afford season tickets, even in the highest levels the view of the action is excellent. Some folks really enjoy the scuffles that come from the physical nature of the game. TV coverage rather often misses the conflicts that are happening at the corners...
The Blackhawks have long supported youth hockey and the Chicago region has good success sending kids to college / minor league programs, especially considering how costly ice time is here compared to places like Canada or Sweden where the rinks are often government subsidized. There is no shortage of hockey fans in the "young generation" and a trip to any place with grade school / high school kids and you will encounter a sea of Toews / Kane / Sharp / Keith / Crawford jerseys. The core of this team is very much admired by young people and should be for a very long time...
07-17-2013, 07:50 PM
Location: Upper West Side, Manhattan, NYC
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chet everett
There was a certain kind of synergy that Wirtz mastered in developing the families hugely successful liquor business and the way he ran the other businesses -- you have to realize that prior to HDTV hockey was a pitiful experience to televise! The challenge of very high speed action, that cannot have cameras very close to the surface for valid technical reasons, a difficult to track puck and the relatively unpredictable nature of pauses in gameplay all contributed to lack of TV viewers. Running The Chicago Stadium & United Center PROFITABLY and without ANY GOVERNMENT funds for renovation were / are HUGE accomplishments.
it's true - hockey on SD was bad, but people still televised it. I remember watching every single North Stars game on "local" TV before they moved to Dallas. You get used to it anyway...
07-17-2013, 08:32 PM
Location: 53179
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Canadian teams should win the majority of the Stanley Cups with the Op's logic. Im not sure if they do though.
07-17-2013, 08:55 PM
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Lately the balance has been tilted toward the expansion teams. The expansion draft had much to do with that, and the league bias toward expansion...
It has been a decade since a team from the land of Mounties has prevailed --
List of Stanley Cup champions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
07-17-2013, 09:01 PM
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If you read the Wikipedia article about the "Original 6", it sounds like it was harder for any non-Canadian team to win for several decades, but this changed in the 1970s when they changed the rules to remove geographic restrictions on player recruitment.
07-17-2013, 10:38 PM
Location: Humboldt Park, Chicago
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If you don't like victory parades you could always move to
Vancouver .
"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Attrill again."
07-18-2013, 01:45 AM
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The OP doesn't know what he's talking about at all. I'm not even going to bother to add anymore that I already have because it's not worth any more of my time. Absolutely pathetic and ignorant.
07-18-2013, 05:51 AM
Location: Where the heart is...
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koctail
Not meaning to be a troll, but I find the obsession by white people for Blackhawks ridiculous. How many big cities in cold climates have ice hockey teams, maybe 5? So isn't it expected the Blackhawks should win? Where is the challenge and true competition in this?? Hardly deserving of the parade these players were honored with.
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Are you joking?
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marothisu
No kidding. This is what got me. Even people who don't really understand professional sports would not have this point. Like, really? You think that because you're in a cold climate that the team has to be good and everyone on the team has to be from that location? wtf?
Uninformed poster! The fan base is not to be underestimated nor discounted. Professional as well as amateur hockey has a huge fan base from around the world.
Best regards, sincerely
HomeIsWhere...
...ice hockey is now a multi-billion dollar enterprise played by millions around the world.
The NHL now opens every season with multiple games in Finland and Sweden. The second-strongest ice hockey league in the world is the Eastern Europe-based Kontinental Hockey League (KHL).
The most out-of-place rink may be the one in the United Arab Emirates.
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People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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