05-20-2014, 07:55 AM
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If there can be a library for Reagan and Bush II ... having one for President Obama would be the lesser of the "crimes," as I view it.
05-20-2014, 07:59 AM
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The record of all the "projections" of how wonderful it might be use some massive public funding to serve as "impetus" for renewed investment is very grim -- even when places like Navy Pier do attract visitors the money they spend tends to go into the pockets of idiot insiders with shamefully marked up prices to support their massive campaign contributions to maintain their lease rights...
Even in a "best case scenario" (like putting this things way down on the far SE side to draw folks to otherwise desolate area --
South Works : Curbed Chicago ) the risk of such a thing working to siphon off more sustainable long term investment for a "quick hit" of lucrative state funded new construction is an extremely likely and unpleasant prospect. Think about the likelihood of such a library being so "grand" and out of scale with SE side needs for basic infrastructure and this looks like one of "city in the middle of rain forest" kind of bad ideas from 40 year old central planning failures...
I have no problem with private donors giving till it hurts and funding something that is every bit as grand as Bilboa's art museum but the State of Illinois and all its problems ought to steer clear of any financial backing.
http://ww4.hdnux.com/photos/20/44/73/4345571/3/960x540.jpg
They could get the same finance director, he is a Chicago kind of guy --
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05-20-2014, 08:02 AM
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Count me amongst the folks who believe a Presidential library should be built with private funds. Illinois and Chicago have serious financial problems and providing a big chunk of money to build the library would be another mistake. Let the U of C fund it. The President ought to find it easy to solicit the money from grass roots supporters. Didn't Bill Clinton raise the funds for his library's construction (I'm forgetting). I know I sent a couple of checks in response to an appeal to supporters.
05-20-2014, 09:00 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
Longford
Count me amongst the folks who believe a Presidential library should be built with private funds. Illinois and Chicago have serious financial problems and providing a big chunk of money to build the library would be another mistake. Let the U of C fund it. The President ought to find it easy to solicit the money from grass roots supporters. Didn't Bill Clinton raise the funds for his library's construction (I'm forgetting). I know I sent a couple of checks in response to an appeal to supporters.
I totally agree with this. There is absolutely no reason for the state to be involved.
05-20-2014, 10:14 AM
Location: Edmonds, WA
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And honestly, this could backfire in a very big way for Illinois and Chicago. Let's not forget that Chicago has become the right's punching bag. I could see them jumping all over this and shining the national spotlight on these fiscal decisions, and that's not something Obama wants. I could see the library going to NY or Hawaii for no other reason than to avoid a huge mess this has the potential of turning into.
05-20-2014, 11:25 AM
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This is simple to answer...
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Bluefox
And honestly, this could backfire in a very big way for Illinois and Chicago. Let's not forget that Chicago has become the right's punching bag. I could see them jumping all over this and shining the national spotlight on these fiscal decisions, and that's not something Obama wants. I could see the library going to NY or Hawaii for no other reason than to avoid a huge mess this has the potential of turning into.
... guys like Madigan learned long ago is easier to sucker voters in many areas into a sort of "fan club" for their own poltical ends. Madigan did not get to where he is by being dumb, he "goes along to get along" and the kind of voters that will be most impressed by "the state kicking $100M to honor OUR most important president" are EXACTLY why Madigan gets into the kind of "fan club" that guys like Rahm stay locked out of...
If the STATE puts up the money the STATE also gets to sign the contracts with developers and land owners and that means lots of oportunities to put money back into one's "campaign war chest"
This article, from two decades back, spells out PRECISELY how Madigan has, like a cockroach after a nuclear war, thrived:
What is mike madigan up to?
05-20-2014, 01:08 PM
Location: Not where you ever lived
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Wait! Picasso and the Bean are not enough. Chicago needs another international tourist attraction. It does't have the venues for wealthy tourists as does New York: Statue of Liberty, Broadway and Off-Broadway, Fifth Avenue, the diamond district, Fulton Street, the Rockettes and Radio City, Wall Street, Central Park and the hansom cabs, top sail schooners to sail New York's famous Harbor, tickets for the late night national broadcast from the Ed Sullivan Theatre, Rockefeller Center, and the many art galleries in and near Manhattan.
Chicago could, and it should, do better but it is usually obsessing over 'something else'.
Taxpayers funded the Lincoln Presidential Library and Museum in Springfield. There are other Lincoln museums in the state. Illinois' only son who was born in the state, educated in Central Illinois, and became a United States President has been ignored. The Reagan tribute consists of memorabilia of one-of-kind items that cannot be seen elsewhere. It is found inside the college where he earned a double degree. His museum is in California.
No other United States President was born in Illinois. Obama is Hawaii's native son; it should be built there.
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Longford
Count me amongst the folks who believe a Presidential library should be built with private funds. Illinois and Chicago have serious financial problems and providing a big chunk of money to build the library would be another mistake. Let the U of C fund it. The President ought to find it easy to solicit the money from grass roots supporters. Didn't Bill Clinton raise the funds for his library's construction (I'm forgetting). I know I sent a couple of checks in response to an appeal to supporters.
05-20-2014, 04:08 PM
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linicx
No other United States President was born in Illinois. Obama is Hawaii's native son; it should be built there.
Fine with me, and probably most other Chicagoans. Let them build it in Hawaii.
05-20-2014, 04:26 PM
Location: Oak Park, IL
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Obama's library obviously should be in Chicago, this is where he started his career (in academia and politics). For better or worse, he's known as a Chicago politician. I don't really see anyone complaining that Lincoln's museum should be in Kentucky or Indiana.
05-20-2014, 05:11 PM
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Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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