Lowest Crime Rate in Decades? (Chicago, Evanston: how much, school, disposing)

[Vlajos]

Originally Posted by marothisu

No, I'm responding to the notion about medical technology. There's truth to it obviously, but in Chicago the rate of how many people die per shooting has gotten much worse than even when there were far more shootings and homicides.

It would be interesting to see why.

Originally Posted by Bluefox

No he's saying that all shootings (fatal and non-fatal) are a fraction of what they were in the 90s and while the rate of fatal shootings relative to non-fatal shootings have increased, the murder rate is still less than half of what it was back then. Marothisu correct me if I'm wrong.

Yeah, I read this as response to the oft stated "but less people die from gunshots now because of medical technology". Which appears to be false. Also, this is not a unique thing for Chicago, unless our hospitals are just that much better than those of NYC, LA, Philly, Baltimore, Indy, SF, Oakland, etc.

[rzzzz]

Maybe higher caliber guns and deadlier ammo are used more often in today's shootings.

[jonnynonos]

Where do you get data on shootings?

[chet everett]

There is probably more to be learned by focusing on how towns like Oak Park or Evanston manage to keep violent crime far below that of violent crime inside Chicago. Heck one would think the expensive data analytics that CPD invested in might help explain the marked differences in crime in parts of Chicago with a large population of affluent residents vs the parts of the city that lack such a population. At some level there ought to be ways to modify the deployment of police resources so that being in a poorer area did not also mean being in a high crime area. Maybe things like that are already being done, but it is not really going to win "the hearts and minds" of too many citizens when there are still so many innocent people having bullets kill their kids as the sit in their living room or similar horror stories.

At some level it is kind of an impossible task -- even if violent street crime is reduced from the 2500 or so shootings that Chicago had this year to something like one or two per week (which still seems crazy on some level, but that would truly major reduction...) there might still be half a dozen or so absolutely appalling shootings.

But yet, there are cities that have far less crime, surely the effectiveness of the police must be part of reason...

[marothisu]

Originally Posted by rzzzz

Maybe higher caliber guns and deadlier ammo are used more often in today's shootings.

Maybe they just shot each other in the arm more last time as a warning :P

[marothisu]

Originally Posted by jonnynonos

Where do you get data on shootings?

The Chicago Tribune keeps data on it - whenever there's a shooting reported, they'll put it on their site

Shootings -- Crime in Chicagoland -- chicagotribune.com

Shootings are up this year, homicides very slightly down. That could probably be explained with various technology (i.e. medical - but maybe other stuff like advances in dispatching technology. Just thinking aloud). But the difference between the early 90s and today, and why today is technically more deadlier per shooting, has other factors (i.e. as rzzz mentioned, maybe the technology of the guns and ammo today versus 20+ years ago).

[Antonio Montana]

Originally Posted by Vlajos

Nothing will convince a scp reader, believers in anonymous blogs, Faux News and black copters.

LOL! What in my posts is conspiratorial or equates with "black copters"? So, what's a reliable news source to you? Press releases put out by Rahm, Garry, and the rest of the Chicago Democratic Party machine? MSNBC?

[jonnynonos]

Originally Posted by Vlajos

There you have it, facts.

It's worth noting that Chicago's worst neighborhoods have experienced disproportional population decline since 1990, with places like Englewood and Washington Park losing up to 40 percent if their residents, but, still, it's a dramatic drop off.

Why, I think, is truly anyone's guess.

[marothisu]

^ Interesting thing about Washington Park is that the amount of homicide there has decreased by a good amount. Not long ago, it was averaging usually around 10 or sometimes more per year. Last year, it experienced 2 homicides last year (2013) and so far this year it's 4. That's an increase, but in 2012 it had 13 and 2011 it had 9. Woodlawn is another one. 2011 saw 14 homicides while 2012 saw 20. 2013 saw 8 of them and so far in 2014 there's been 8.

[jonnynonos]

Originally Posted by marothisu

^ Interesting thing about Washington Park is that the amount of homicide there has decreased by a good amount. Not long ago, it was averaging usually around 10 or sometimes more per year. Last year, it experienced 2 homicides last year (2013) and so far this year it's 4. That's an increase, but in 2012 it had 13 and 2011 it had 9. Woodlawn is another one. 2011 saw 14 homicides while 2012 saw 20. 2013 saw 8 of them and so far in 2014 there's been 8.

Like I said, IMO, anyone's guess. It's following national trends, though, so likely something bigger than Chicago. In fact we are obviously still well behind the curve.