River North residents: Do you still feel safe in your neighborhood? (Union: military, dangerous)

[Don Cuccino]

Originally Posted by BRU67

I think if the Orange One runs again there will be more protests. This is why I really hope he doesn't. But at the same time, it's a real slippery slope to let groups intimidate you into voting or not voting for someone. I hope any future violent protests are met harshly, and investigated and arrested like the yokels who were behind 1/6 were.

Apparently they're planning another brouhaha next week in support of their January 6 brethren. Sounds like fun, sarcacsm

https://www.rollcall.com/2021/09/08/...akers-invited/

[Justabystander]

Originally Posted by BRU67

Statistics do not bear that out. By the numbers, more white people are shot by police than black.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...olice-by-race/

Time to go back to school, bru. Blacks are 13% of the population, but according to your statistics, are over 50% of the shootings by police. Its percentages, not sheer numbers.

[DabOnEm]

Originally Posted by Hiruko

The first major BLM "protest" in 2016 resulted in five police officers being shot and killed in Dallas. It's amazing how that has been papered over and forgotten.

Nah the first major BLM protest was in Ferguson. An important thing to keep in mind is that Ferguson was home to the start of BLM. The people who started it (6 guys) felt their movement was being hijacked by "outside interest". Well all six of those Ferguson protesters died mysteriously. They are definitely pushing an agenda just like they are this year with Asians. Notice how Asians have done so well in sports this year and there's no multiple shows/movies that came out recently with Asians as the main cast member?

[BRU67]

Originally Posted by Justabystander

Time to go back to school, bru. Blacks are 13% of the population, but according to your statistics, are over 50% of the shootings by police. Its percentages, not sheer numbers.

I said by the numbers, more whites are shot by police, so it was sheer numbers, not percentages, in my post. But anyway, do you think the % disparity might be because blacks have more interactions with the police? If there are more interactions then there are more chances for things to go sideways of course. Or do you think police deliberately target them?

If the latter, then do you think criminals in Chicago are doing the same thing? Because over 82% of our City's homicide victims are black, while less than 30% of the City's population is black. Only 14 of the 3,179 shot in Chicago this year were by police. So definitely a strong argument for BLM to branch out into this aspect of things if you believe they are being targeted.

[Justabystander]

Originally Posted by BRU67

I said by the numbers, more whites are shot by police, so it was sheer numbers, not percentages, in my post. But anyway, do you think the % disparity might be because blacks have more interactions with the police? If there are more interactions then there are more chances for things to go sideways of course. Or do you think police deliberately target them?

If the latter, then do you think criminals in Chicago are doing the same thing? Because over 82% of our City's homicide victims are black, while less than 30% of the City's population is black. Only 14 of the 3,179 shot in Chicago this year were by police. So definitely a strong argument for BLM to branch out into this aspect of things if you believe they are being targeted.

Yes, the black on black crime makes it more likely that they will get shot by police. But your point was numbers, not percentages, which is more relevant, just like Chicago murder nimbers are only somewhat relevant because the overall murder rate is far less than in many cities. There is definitely a cultural element in the black community that needs to be addressed, a societal breakdown with gang members and revenge and a lack of parenting and oversight in some instances. Education, jobs and stricter penalties for first time gun offenders by the courts is the only solution.

[BRU67]

Originally Posted by Justabystander

Yes, the black on black crime makes it more likely that they will get shot by police. But your point was numbers, not percentages, which is more relevant, just like Chicago murder nimbers are only somewhat relevant because the overall murder rate is far less than in many cities. There is definitely a cultural element in the black community that needs to be addressed, a societal breakdown with gang members and revenge and a lack of parenting and oversight in some instances. Education, jobs and stricter penalties for first time gun offenders by the courts is the only solution.

Well, I don't know. I was just saying that more whites are shot than blacks by police is all, and that was in response to a supposition that white police were out hunting black people, which is utterly ridiculous. The percentages may be more relevant when talking with someone who understands why the percentages are different. But, too often, they get taken out of context and thus the real problem, which you grasp, gets missed.

In any case, I agree with your points. We have to address the root causes and reduce negative encounters with police. That will lower the percentage and bring them more into line with the general population.

[BRU67]

Originally Posted by Don Cuccino

Apparently they're planning another brouhaha next week in support of their January 6 brethren. Sounds like fun, sarcacsm

https://www.rollcall.com/2021/09/08/...akers-invited/

Yea, it'll be a real hoot 'n holler I'm sure. Red meat for the base, as they say. I suspect any shenanigans will get smacked down pretty quickly however.

[MPK21]

Originally Posted by DabOnEm

Nah the first major BLM protest was in Ferguson. An important thing to keep in mind is that Ferguson was home to the start of BLM. The people who started it (6 guys) felt their movement was being hijacked by "outside interest". Well all six of those Ferguson protesters died mysteriously. They are definitely pushing an agenda just like they are this year with Asians. Notice how Asians have done so well in sports this year and there's no multiple shows/movies that came out recently with Asians as the main cast member?

BLM started in 2013 after the death of Trayvon Martin; 3 women, all Marxists (it's not the individual's fault, the system is at fault), started the BLM campaign with co-founder Alicia Garza creating #blacklivesmatter. Consider that BLM is allegedly an ''anti-police brutality'' yet openly supported the Castro regime in Cuba this past summer during anti-regime protests...in which protesters waived American flags because, of course, its the symbol of freedom around the world, except in the United States...lol.

The Ferguson protest and destruction occurred in 2014 and yes, 4 ''activists'' from this incident subsequently died, the other 2 had no known connection to the protests.

Of the 6 subsequent deaths, 1 was a drug overdose, 3 were ruled suicides, and 2 were murdered; one of the suicides included a male hanging himself from a tree (mother claims he was lynched by white supremacists). These deaths occurred over the course of 3 years (2014-2017). Not sure where the mystery is here.

At least CPD started to enforce the rule of law in River North last weekend; towing cars on Hubbard Street, arresting a few folks, confiscating a few guns etc. Chicago's reputation is taking a huge hit right now and the River North-Mag Mile areas are crucial in rebuilding tourism etc.

The defund the police crowd has done enough damage.

Please know that these 6 dudes in Ferguson has nothing to do with starting BLM. Not sure where that is coming from.

[Nearwest]

It was reported on Channel 9 News (WGN-TV) that some River North residents and business owners met with 18th District police officers to address a recent spike in crime and changes to policing in that area.

Some River North residents expressed concerns about recent crimes in the area, with many saying that they are afraid to go about their day-to-day lives.

Although the number of murders in River North has dropped from 2020, there has been an uptick in the number of shootings, sexual assaults, and auto thefts in the 18th District.

[MPK21]

Originally Posted by Nearwest

It was reported on Channel 9 News (WGN-TV) that some River North residents and business owners met with 18th District police officers to address a recent spike in crime and changes to policing in that area.

Some River North residents expressed concerns about recent crimes in the area, with many saying that they are afraid to go about their day-to-day lives.

Although the number of murders in River North has dropped from 2020, there has been an uptick in the number of shootings, sexual assaults, and auto thefts in the 18th District.

I read where homicides are down in the 18th District generally, not specifically in River North though. Can't imagine the # of river north homicides as ever being significant anway. The 18th District runs from Madison Street north to Fullerton; lakefront west to river and meanders as far west as Damen/Fullerton. This includes the rougher areas west of LaSalle up to North Avenue.

The other issues have all increased and, as you state, in the 18th District, not just River North.

Investing in lawlessness, sticking up for criminals, and not backing police departments for political purposes last year is sure paying dividends this year.