Wicker Park in the 1990s (Chicago, Cicero: rent, lofts, homes)

[BRU67]

Originally Posted by Cool Arrow

Oak Park isn't gentrified, it's just upper middle class but it never went through "gentrification". It's also nowhere near city center, where gentrification happens trans continental. I've never heard of a gentrification leapfrogging, maybe it happens but I've never seen an example of it. People moving to Galewood aren't artists or bohemians that moved to Wicker Park or Lincoln Park.

No, but the amenities in those upscale neighborhoods would be nearby. And Austin is not "far" from the city center as most would define that term. I'm pretty sure a trip to the Loop on the Green Line from Laramie or Cicero would be way faster than a trip to the Loop on the Blue Line from Logan Square. And gentrification is not always predictably linear, though often it is. I'm just trying to point out there is a hypocrisy with progressivism that I really hope gets corrected.

[Bitey]

Originally Posted by BRU67

No, but the amenities in those upscale neighborhoods would be nearby. And Austin is not "far" from the city center as most would define that term. I'm pretty sure a trip to the Loop on the Green Line from Laramie or Cicero would be way faster than a trip to the Loop on the Blue Line from Logan Square. And gentrification is not always predictably linear, though often it is. I'm just trying to point out there is a hypocrisy with progressivism that I really hope gets corrected.

First, Logan Square to the Loop is like 18 minutes, so no. Second, the amenities in those upscale neighborhoods (and it's a reach to call Galewood "upscale" even if it's relatively safe and quiet) aren't really the type the gentrifying set are after. Oak Park is the kind of place you move when you're in your 30s/40s and already have kids, not the kind of place you move to after just finishing grad school and want a taste of the white-collar urban life.

Nevertheless, the point generally stands that black neighborhoods simply don't get gentrified -- Bronzeville being a possible exception, and even there the pace of renewal has been glacial compared to most others.

[ggplicks]

Originally Posted by Bitey

Nevertheless, the point generally stands that black neighborhoods simply don't get gentrified -- Bronzeville being a possible exception, and even there the pace of renewal has been glacial compared to most others.

Because black neighborhoods in this city are in far worse shape than hispanic neighborhoods lmao. Pilsen and Little Village have more amenities and are far more lively than any black neighborhood in the city (Hyde Park doesn't count). You got mexicans gentrifying and buying up properties in englewood nowadays.



Just look at the crime stats, despite being less than 30% of the population, blacks make up 80% of the crime in this city vs just 10% hispanics , who have a higher population in this city.

[Bitey]

Originally Posted by ggplicks

Because black neighborhoods in this city are in far worse shape than hispanic neighborhoods lmao. Pilsen and Little Village have more amenities and are far more lively than any black neighborhood in the city (Hyde Park doesn't count). You got mexicans gentrifying and buying up properties in englewood nowadays.



Just look at the crime stats, despite being less than 30% of the population, blacks make up 80% of the crime in this city vs just 10% hispanics , who have a higher population in this city.

Maybe you're not old enough or you're too new to Chicago to remember when Pilsen and Little Village were every bit the hellholes as any other hellhole neighborhood in the city. You can see Pilsen's decrepit state in some scenes of the 1980s movie Running Scared, including a rather dilapidated Thalia Hall.

Little Village is still pretty rough around the edges; but yeah, it has long had the vital 26th Street business district keeping it afloat.

[ggplicks]

Originally Posted by Bitey

Maybe you're not old enough or you're too new to Chicago to remember when Pilsen and Little Village were every bit the hellholes as any other hellhole neighborhood in the city. You can see Pilsen's decrepit state in some scenes of the 1980s movie Running Scared, including a rather dilapidated Thalia Hall.

Little Village is still pretty rough around the edges; but yeah, it has long had the vital 26th Street business district keeping it afloat.

No black neighborhood has gentrified to the extent of a Logan Square or a Pilsen. 18th st in Pilsen feels like a northside neighborhood with all the pedestrian activity there

[BRU67]

Originally Posted by Bitey

First, Logan Square to the Loop is like 18 minutes, so no. Second, the amenities in those upscale neighborhoods (and it's a reach to call Galewood "upscale" even if it's relatively safe and quiet) aren't really the type the gentrifying set are after. Oak Park is the kind of place you move when you're in your 30s/40s and already have kids, not the kind of place you move to after just finishing grad school and want a taste of the white-collar urban life.

Nevertheless, the point generally stands that black neighborhoods simply don't get gentrified -- Bronzeville being a possible exception, and even there the pace of renewal has been glacial compared to most others.

The commute from the 2600 block of North Sawyer, right by the Logan Theater and next to the Logan Square Blue Line stop, is 25 minutes to Monroe and Wabash on the Blue Line. It's 21 minutes on the Green Line from Cicero and Lake. I agree with your last point. The question is why, given all of the progressives we have who say they truly believe in social justice.

[Bitey]

You're talking to a Blue Line rider here, so a couple points:

1) The Blue Line doesn't go to Wabash; 2) It's 15 minutes from the California stop to the Clark/Lake stop, 18 from the Logan Square stop. The latter is about the same time it takes from Cicero to the same stop. So no there's no major public transit advantage riding from Austin, except maybe less crowded trains.

[BRU67]

Originally Posted by Bitey

You're talking to a Blue Line rider here, so a couple points:

1) The Blue Line doesn't go to Wabash; 2) It's 15 minutes from the California stop to the Clark/Lake stop, 18 from the Logan Square stop. The latter is about the same time it takes from Cicero to the same stop. So no there's no major public transit advantage riding from Austin, except maybe less crowded trains.

My quoted times were for the total public transit trip from the stop to the end point. So there's no major public transit disadvantage riding from Austin. And indeed you'd be riding on less crowded trains. Look, I don't want to parse minutes here. All I'm saying here is that if one sees what they believe to be an injustice, they should take steps to correct it. There's so much passion on this within our progressive young communities. I mean, there were precincts where Vallas got like 2% of the vote or something. If one believes there is disinvestment, police abuse, and institutional racism causing the problems in our impoverished black communities, then they should have the courage of conviction to move there and change it. Get on the ground and make it rain justice! Put yourself there and help correct it I say. I mean, bleep, if one truly believes, even a 30 minute extra commute shouldn't be an obstacle. That there would be no commute penalty is just the cherry on top of the sundae.

[ggplicks]

These blue hair'd woke socialists wouldn't dare move to Englewood. They're comfortable in their white liberal Logan Square bubble

[BRU67]

Originally Posted by ggplicks

These blue hair'd woke socialists wouldn't dare move to Englewood. They're comfortable in their white liberal Logan Square bubble

Well, they certainly displayed passion like I've never seen. Do you know how angry you'd need to be to set a police car on fire? Maybe I grew up in a different more quaint era, but that's nothing I'd have even thought of doing as a youth. They must have been very, very up in arms indeed! So put it into productive action.

As a Democrat and optimist, I'm hoping they're going there. I've never seen them during my drives through North Lawndale (except over by the Lagunitas Brewery and Douglass Park during Riot Fest) but maybe they're just laying low, and will change things once they find their 'hood legs.