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Old 10-30-2008, 10:13 AM
 
Location: The Land of Lincoln
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I concur and would like to add Todd Stroger son of John, Emil Jones, son of Emil Jones, Dan Lipinski son of Bill Lipinski just for starters. I spent a lot of my life in Chicago, and there's not a day that I don't miss it, but would not want to go back to that corrupt feudalistic environment. In my youth Chicago was much more prosperous and liveable, despite the endemic corruption. Now the hassle just outweighs everything that once made the place great. The Republican Party has just been blown off the map, not just in Chicagoland, but pretty much the whole state. Chicago and Illinois resemble the old Politburo. Now you're poised to export this to the rest of the country. Wonderful.
Totally corrupt - Chicago makes no excuses and proudly presents the rest of the country with Barack Obama.
Sad state of affairs.

 
Old 10-30-2008, 10:25 AM
 
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Let's see... the Senate race in Illinois is a foregone conclusion (can anyone even name Durbin's opponent?) and so is the Congressional race in my district. And so is Illinois electoral college delegation. Absent the latter, at least I might have some reason to vote, so it's the electoral college that has ultimately caused me to not bother voting this time around. That and I've decided to stop pretending like government acts in anyone's interest but its own.
Can't argue with you there, and as is often the case I should be more thorough in explaining my position. I do not want to see the electoral college abolished. I have no problem with electing the mayor, senator, house member, dog catcher etc. according to who gets the most votes. As far as the sorry situation in Illinois, well just who is to blame for that?
 
Old 10-30-2008, 10:38 AM
 
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Why? That makes no sense whatsoever. The Electoral College is largely symbolic now, and is just a bad way to tally votes.
Sorry, call me an old fool if you like, but I like the original thinking behind the establishing of the EC. I'm not going to go into a long winded defense right now, others have done so far better than I would anyway. I live in a state that is very solidly red, but will trudge to the polls and vote on November 4.

In Defense of the Electoral College

It might not make any sense to you, but it does to some of us.
 
Old 10-30-2008, 10:45 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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Originally Posted by SAI126 View Post
Can't argue with you there, and as is often the case I should be more thorough in explaining my position. I do not want to see the electoral college abolished. I have no problem with electing the mayor, senator, house member, dog catcher etc. according to who gets the most votes. As far as the sorry situation in Illinois, well just who is to blame for that?
Don't get me wrong, I'm in no hurry to see the electoral college abandoned either. Even today it's still useful. For one it forces candidates to pay attention to and balance both rural and urban concerns, whereas without it the rural areas could be ignored with impunity and we'd become an urbanocracy. For another, if you think the 2000 election was a mess, imagine if Florida had played out across the entire country. It would have been absolute chaos. If nothing else, the electoral college contained the chaos to a single state making it much easier to manage and resolve.
 
Old 10-30-2008, 11:02 AM
 
Location: Oak Park, IL
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I like the idea of reforming the electoral college from a state to a congressional district basis. Winner take all per congressional district (1 EV each). Then you get a two EV bonus for winning the state. This gives an incentive for Republicans to campaign in CA, and Democrats to campaign in TX.
 
Old 10-30-2008, 11:06 AM
 
Location: Oak Park, IL
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Getting back on topic, comparing US soldier fatalities in Iraq to civilian fatalities in Chicago is apples to orange comparison.

The more even comparison is US soldier fatalities to Chicago police fatalities (both are armed professionals) or total Iraq civilian versus total Chicago civilian casualties. In both cases, obviously, the casualty numbers in Iraq dwarf those in Chicago (even if you adjust to a per capita basis). Its a stupid argument.
 
Old 10-30-2008, 12:39 PM
 
Location: Phoenix metro
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Getting back on topic, comparing US soldier fatalities in Iraq to civilian fatalities in Chicago is apples to orange comparison.
I agree. Lets see 2.8 million soldiers in Iraq and see what happens to those fatality levels.
 
Old 10-30-2008, 12:44 PM
 
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Then can you perhaps tell me why this thread was re-opened?:

//www.city-data.com/forum/chica...hicago-11.html

Half the pages in it are not related to the topic, but it is still going on...

Not to mention the main antagonist seems to be a troll...
I, too, would like an answer to this question, jessiegirl98. The doublestandards are outrageous.

Secondly, are we not allowed to post a discussion amongst ourselves about how Chicagoans see the election?
 
Old 10-30-2008, 12:54 PM
 
Location: Oak Park, IL
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I agree. Lets see 2.8 million soldiers in Iraq and see what happens to those fatality levels.
Well, obviously 2.8 million soldiers (if we even had that many available) would allow a much better security environment (meaning less casualties for both US and Iraqis.) Didn't Gen. Shinseki get fired for telling the truth that 400k troops would be necessary for occupation duty in Iraq?
 
Old 10-30-2008, 01:03 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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OK. You guys can move it over to P&OC since this isn't related to Chicago
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