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I suppose you will next say King Solomon was a "man", so he was only referring to himself in regards to God determining a "man's steps" (Prov 20:24)
Once you trust Christ to be in control of your life, he will indeed guide your steps. But to say God guided Hitlers hand when he murdered millions of people is something only an atheist would say.
All your verses have alrealy been explained, and none of them say God created evil. If he planted a tree which explains evil, then how does mean that he created evil? It doesn't.
Ok WOW. That's a "different" interpretation - to say the least. Keep on believe that if you want to.
I suppose you will next say King Solomon was a "man", so he was only referring to himself in regards to God determining a "man's steps" (Prov 20:24).
Likewise, what about Jeremiah 10:23? I suppose it is only Jeremiah's life that is not his own, it is only Jeremiah's steps that God is directing (along with King Solomon's).
Again I repeat, Paul tells us in Romans 13 that God ordains all powers that be. Does that apply to Hitler, Mao, Stalin, and every other leader that has ever existed? YES IT DOES.
Ok WOW again. You say "the bible is clear about the fact that God did not create evil"... EXCEPT FOR ALL THE VERSES THAT SPECIFICALLY SAY HE CREATED AND USED EVIL!!!!
Isaiah 45:7 I make peace, and create evil
Job 2:10 But he said unto her, Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh. What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil? In all this did not Job sin with his lips.
Amos 3:6 shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?
Lam 3:38 Out of the mouth of the most High proceedeth not evil and good?
1 Kings 22:23 So now the LORD has put a lying spirit in the mouths of all these prophets of yours. The LORD has decreed disaster for you.
Prov 16:4 The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.
Genesis 2:9 And the LORD God made all kinds of trees grow out of the ground—trees that were pleasing to the eye and good for food. In the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
Josh 23:15 But just as every good promise of the LORD your God has come true, so the LORD will bring on you all the evil he has threatened, until he has destroyed you from this good land he has given you.
2 Thes 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie
I could go on, but the point should be clear to anyone who can read these scriptures. God creates and uses various evils: lying spirits, delusion, destruction, disaster, even the wicked are made for the Lord.
So how do these verses suggest that "evil" was not planted by God? You might say that TARES were planted by Satan. True. But Satan can do nothing that God does not allow. Once again we see that God is in full control.
Folks, what you are witnessing here is the carnal nature in Finn rejecting the plain scriptures of God that say He created, caused, brought about, and used evil. The spiritual cannot be understood by the carnal. The carnal nature is blind to these scriptures.
Folks, this is a lie..... and twisting of the scripture. Scripture proves this shown below.
The only logic one can come up with, with a person who keeps justifying such evil acts of sin and that God has a higher purpose for such acts, is that....
The individual has experienced such behavior and acted upon such wicked behavior in their own life.... to justify such wickedness and to relieve their guiltly lust of such behavior and is calling it a higher purpose in God's will !!!
God does not tempt one with evil the scripture prove this....
James 1:12-17
12. Blessed is a man who perseveres under trial; for once he has been approved, he will receive the crown of life which the Lord has promised to those who love Him.
13. Let no one say when he is tempted, "I am being tempted by God"; for God cannot be tempted by evil, and He Himself does not tempt anyone.
14. But each one is tempted when he is carried away and enticed by his own lust.
15. Then when lust has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and when sin is accomplished, it brings forth death.
16. Do not be deceived, my beloved brethren.
17. Every good thing given and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shifting shadow.
Once you trust Christ to be in control of your life, he will indeed guide your steps. But to say God guided Hitlers hand when he murdered millions of people is something only an atheist would say.
Oh, you must have missed it when John Hagee said it: (last time I checked, John Hagee was not proclaiming himself an atheist, rather a hell-fire preaching Christian.....
BILL BERKOWITZ FOR BUZZFLASH Pastor John Hagee, discredited by his God-sent-Hitler-to-hunt-the-Jews comment that surfaced during the 2008 presidential campaign, is on the comeback trail.
Once you trust Christ to be in control of your life, he will indeed guide your steps. But to say God guided Hitlers hand when he murdered millions of people is something only an atheist would say.
Finn, I'm not trying to be offensive here. I'm only repeating what the scriptures say. Scriptures which you seem to have completely ignored.
Here is a statement of scripture (its Romans 13:1) in various translations.
For all authority comes from God, and those in positions of authority have been placed there by God.
The authorities that exist have been established by God.
For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities existing are appointed by God.
From this I can conclude that Hitlers position of authority and power was established, appointed, and ordained by God. In effect, Hitler was placed there by God.
What I am hearing you say (in so many words) is that you find this offensive, comparing it to something an atheist would say. Yet that is what the scriptures say plainly. I'm sorry you cannot believe these scriptures.
What about Pharoah:
Romans 9:16 It does not, therefore, depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh: "I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth." 18 Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.
Scripture is very clear: God raised up Pharaoh, hardened his heart, for God's own purposes. God ordained the power that Pharaoh had, and Pharaoh commited evil with that power, through God placing him there.
Folks, this is a lie..... and twisting of the scripture. Scripture proves this shown below.
The only logic one can come up with, with a person who keeps justifying such evil acts of sin and that God has a higher purpose for such acts, is that....
The individual has experienced such behavior and acted upon such wicked behavior in their own life.... to justify such wickedness and to relieve their guiltly lust of such behavior and is calling it a higher purpose in God's will !!!
God does not tempt one with evil the scripture prove this....
James 1:12-17
12. Blessed is a man who perseveres under trial; for once he has been approved, he will receive the crown of life which the Lord has promised to those who love Him.
13. Let no one say when he is tempted, "I am being tempted by God"; for God cannot be tempted by evil, and He Himself does not tempt anyone.
14. But each one is tempted when he is carried away and enticed by his own lust.
15. Then when lust has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and when sin is accomplished, it brings forth death.
16. Do not be deceived, my beloved brethren.
17. Every good thing given and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shifting shadow.
Hi Latte'Chic,
I know the verses you mentioned. Still, I also read this:
"And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am."
Oh, you must have missed it when John Hagee said it: (last time I checked, John Hagee was not proclaiming himself an atheist, rather a hell-fire preaching Christian.....
BILL BERKOWITZ FOR BUZZFLASH Pastor John Hagee, discredited by his God-sent-Hitler-to-hunt-the-Jews comment that surfaced during the 2008 presidential campaign, is on the comeback trail.
From this I can conclude that Hitlers position of authority and power was established, appointed, and ordained by God. In effect, Hitler was placed there by God.
Hi Latte'Chic,
I know the verses you mentioned. Still, I also read this:
"And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am."
Blessings,
brian
Finish reading the scripture Brian.....
So.... are you denying the scripture written in James ????
So.... are you denying the scripture written in James ????
God does not change, but we do - and He deals with us differently depending on where we are. He would not tempt a babe in Christ, but Abraham was His friend, and He dealt more deeply with him.
Folks, this is a lie..... and twisting of the scripture. Scripture proves this shown below.
The only logic one can come up with, with a person who keeps justifying such evil acts of sin and that God has a higher purpose for such acts, is that....
The individual has experienced such behavior and acted upon such wicked behavior in their own life.... to justify such wickedness and to relieve their guiltly lust of such behavior and is calling it a higher purpose in God's will !!!
God does not tempt one with evil the scripture prove this....
James 1:12-17
12. Blessed is a man who perseveres under trial; for once he has been approved, he will receive the crown of life which the Lord has promised to those who love Him.
13. Let no one say when he is tempted, "I am being tempted by God"; for God cannot be tempted by evil, and He Himself does not tempt anyone.
14. But each one is tempted when he is carried away and enticed by his own lust.
15. Then when lust has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and when sin is accomplished, it brings forth death.
16. Do not be deceived, my beloved brethren.
17. Every good thing given and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shifting shadow.
Sigh. This is what inevitably happens in these discussions. The personal attacks come out. This is why I said at the top of the thread that this is a difficult topic to be sure. And now Latte'Chic is accusing me of some unspeakable evil that I must justify to myself.
Latte'Chic, your argument is not with me. It is with the scriptures. You do not believe the scriptures. You are still carnal.
Prov 21:1 The king's heart is in the hand of the LORD;
he directs it like a watercourse wherever he pleases.
Prov 20:24 A man's steps are directed by the LORD.
How then can anyone understand his own way?
Jer10:23 I know, O LORD, that a man's life is not his own;
it is not for man to direct his steps.
Prov 16:9 In his heart a man plans his course,
but the LORD determines his steps.
Rom 13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
Eph 1:11 In him we were also chosen, having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will,
Isaiah 45:7 I make peace, and create evil
Job 2:10 But he said unto her, Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh. What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil? In all this did not Job sin with his lips.
Amos 3:6 shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?
Lam 3:38 Out of the mouth of the most High proceedeth not evil and good?
1 Kings 22:23 So now the LORD has put a lying spirit in the mouths of all these prophets of yours. The LORD has decreed disaster for you.
Prov 16:4 The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.
Genesis 2:9 And the LORD God made all kinds of trees grow out of the ground—trees that were pleasing to the eye and good for food. In the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
Josh 23:15 But just as every good promise of the LORD your God has come true, so the LORD will bring on you all the evil he has threatened, until he has destroyed you from this good land he has given you.
2 Thes 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie
You do not believe God does these things, yet there it is plain as day, in the written word. I pray God opens your eyes Latte'chic.
James 1:12-17 does not contradict the above scriptures. God does not tempt. But He does send out lying spirits. He does send out a strong delusion. He does bring evil upon people until they are destroyed from their good land. And God does direct man's steps. Its plain as day in the scriptures.
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This is what inevitably happens in these discussions. The personal attacks come out. This is why I said at the top of the thread that this is a difficult topic to be sure. And now Latte'Chic is accusing me of some unspeakable evil that I must justify to myself. 
