Tartarus, Sheol/Hades, and Gehenna (hell, punishment, woman, beliefs)
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Some who promote Universalism make attempts to discredit the reality of the lake of fire. Some will say that eternal torment isn't found in the original lanquages. They will then go the King James Translation and refer to the fact that the King James translates three different words all as 'hell'.
Those words are Tartarus, Sheol/hades, and Gehenna.
Here is what those words refer to in the original languages.
1.) Tartarus: In the Greek - Tartaroo. It is found only once in the New Testament. In 2 Peter 2:4., It is a prison for a certain group of fallen angels who were involved in the Genesis 6 incident in which these particular angels infiltrated the human race, and having intercourse with human females, gave rise to the Nephilim. 2 Peter 2:4 'For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into Tartarus and committed them to pits of darkness, reserved for judgment;
Tartarus is probably another compartment of Hades. If so, it would be the lowest level of Hades. Tartarus is also referred to in Jude 6, though not by name. 'And the angels which kept not their fiest estate, but left their own habitation, he has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day'. Tartarus is a temporary prison for these angels until God is ready to throw them permanently into the lake of fire.
Tartarus is reserved for those aforementioned angels. There are no human beings in Tartarus.
The demons which are still operational upon the earth today are aware of the eternal punishment that awaits them. Matthew 8:29 And behold, they cried out, saying, ''What do we have to with you, Son of God? Have You come here to torment us before the time''?
2.) Sheol/Hades It is known as Sheol in the Hebrew, and Hades in the Greek. Sheol is not the grave. The King James translators rendered Sheol/hades as the grave, but it is not.
The Greek word for grave or tomb is Kever. And the grave or tomb, and burial, is clearly referred to in the following passages. Isa 14:19; 2 Kings 23:16; Ex 14:11; Gen 15:15; 23:4, 6, 9, 20; 49:30, 31; 50:13; Psa 88:11.
The Greek word for the grave is Mnemeion and is used in passages such as Matt 27:60 and John 11:17.
Nor does Hades mean death. The Greek word for death is Thanatos and is used together with Hades in Rev 1:18 and can't be seen as being synomymous. '...I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of death and of Hades.
Sheol means 'The place of departed spirits.' Sheol/hades was the abode of the spirits of the dead. Before the resurrection of Christ, both believers and unbelievers went to Sheol/hades. Unbelievers still go there.
1) The soul (no longer for the believer, but still true for the unbeliever) goes to Hades. Acts 2:27 BECAUSE THOU WILT NOT ABANDON MY SOUL TO HADES...
2) The inhabitants of Sheol are conscious. Ezek32:21 ''The strong among the mighty ones shall speak of him and his helpers from the midst of Sheol, They have gone down, they lie still, the uncircumcised, slain by the sword.'
3) Sheol is said to be in the lower parts of the earth. Eph4:9 (Now this expression, ''He ascended,'' what does it mean except that He also had descended into the lower parts of the earth? [10] He who descended is Himself also He who ascended far above all the heavens, that He might fill all things.) It's worth noting here that the body of Jesus was placed in a tomb which was on the surface of the earth. Tombs and graves are never said to be in the lower parts of the earth. Other passages that speak of Sheol/Hades as being 'down' and in 'the lower parts of the earth.' Gen 37:35; Job 11:8; Isa 44:23; 57:9; Ezek 26:20; Amos 9:2; Matt 11:23; Luke 10:15.
4) In Sheol, a person was reunited with his people. Gen15:15; 25:8; 35:29; 37:35; 49:33; Num 20:24, 28; 31:2; Deut 32:50; 34:5; 2 Sam 12:23.
5) Sheol has divisions. Deut 32:22 'For a fire is kindled in My anger, And burns to the lowest part of Sheol...
6) In figurative language, Sheol is said to have gates. Isa 38:10.
7) Unbelievers experience Gods judgment in Sheol.
a) Gods anger: Deut. 32:22
b) Writhing in pain: Job 26:5 The Hebrew word is Chool and means to travail, to twist and turn in pain like a woman giving birth.
c) Distress and sorrow: Psa 116:3; 118:5
Once resurrected out of Sheol/Hades, the unbeliever is cast bodily into the lake of fire where he experiences disgrace and everlasting contempt. Dan 12:2; John 5:28,29; Acts 24:15.
3)The eternal hell is 'Gehenna' or 'Tophet' or 'the lake of fire.' Gehenna was a garbage dump outside of Jerusalem where children had once been offered up to Molech, bodies were dumped and burned there and the fires never went out. Jesus used the term 'Gehenna' to illustrate to horrors of the lake of fire in a way which his audience would understand. Gehenna or the lake of fire is the final destination of the unbeliever. After unbelievers are raised out of Hades and judged at the Great White Throne, according to their works, they are sent to their final punishment Rev 20:11-15. They will share the lake of fire with the devil and his angels for whom the eternal fire has been prepared. Jesus warns of Gehenna in Matthew 10:24 among other passages. ''And do not fear those who kill the body, but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell (Gehenna).
The word destroy is Apollumi and does not mean cessation of existence, but rather it carries the meaning of utter ruination and eternal uselessness. It is used by Jesus in Matt 10:24 to describe the condition of the unbeliever in the lake of fire. Eternal torment in utter ruin and uselessness, and hopelessness. That is what awaits those who depart from this life without having accepted God's offer of salvation through faith in Jesus Christ.
Some who promote Universalism make attempts to discredit the reality of the lake of fire.
Mike,
I've never met any Universalists who do not believe in the Lake of Fire. They simply don't believe in it the same way you do.
Even hell itself, I believe in. How could I live in this sad, cruel world and not believe that this world IS HELL for millions on a daily basis.
Can you step back and look at your mission and perhaps see why no one would be drawn to the things you offer? People are looking for HOPE. They are looking for the SAVIOR of the world.
I've never met any Universalists who do not believe in the Lake of Fire. They simply don't believe in it the same way you do.
Even hell itself, I believe in. How could I live in this sad, cruel world and not believe that this world IS HELL for millions on a daily basis.
Can you step back and look at your mission and perhaps see why no one would be drawn to the things you offer? People are looking for HOPE. They are looking for the SAVIOR of the world.
Heartsong
Jesus Christ warned about the lake of fire. Take it up with Him.
Jesus Christ warned about the lake of fire. Take it up with Him.
I did. Did you? Have you ever truly asked Him with an open heart willing to accept any answer, if He was truly going to burn people and torment them for eternity?
Some who promote Universalism make attempts to discredit the reality of the lake of fire. Some will say that eternal torment isn't found in the original lanquages. They will then go the King James Translation and refer to the fact that the King James translates three different words all as 'hell'.
Those words are Tartarus, Sheol/hades, and Gehenna.
Here is what those words refer to in the original languages.
1.) Tartarus: In the Greek - Tartaroo. It is found only once in the New Testament. In 2 Peter 2:4., It is a prison for a certain group of fallen angels who were involved in the Genesis 6 incident in which these particular angels infiltrated the human race, and having intercourse with human females, gave rise to the Nephilim. 2 Peter 2:4 'For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into Tartarus and committed them to pits of darkness, reserved for judgment;
Tartarus is probably another compartment of Hades. If so, it would be the lowest level of Hades. Tartarus is also referred to in Jude 6, though not by name. 'And the angels which kept not their fiest estate, but left their own habitation, he has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day'. Tartarus is a temporary prison for these angels until God is ready to throw them permanently into the lake of fire.
Tartarus is reserved for those aforementioned angels. There are no human beings in Tartarus.
The demons which are still operational upon the earth today are aware of the eternal punishment that awaits them. Matthew 8:29 And behold, they cried out, saying, ''What do we have to with you, Son of God? Have You come here to torment us before the time''?
2.) Sheol/Hades It is known as Sheol in the Hebrew, and Hades in the Greek. Sheol is not the grave. The King James translators rendered Sheol/hades as the grave, but it is not.
The Greek word for grave or tomb is Kever. And the grave or tomb, and burial, is clearly referred to in the following passages. Isa 14:19; 2 Kings 23:16; Ex 14:11; Gen 15:15; 23:4, 6, 9, 20; 49:30, 31; 50:13; Psa 88:11.
The Greek word for the grave is Mnemeion and is used in passages such as Matt 27:60 and John 11:17.
Nor does Hades mean death. The Greek word for death is Thanatos and is used together with Hades in Rev 1:18 and can't be seen as being synomymous. '...I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of death and of Hades.
Sheol means 'The place of departed spirits.' Sheol/hades was the abode of the spirits of the dead. Before the resurrection of Christ, both believers and unbelievers went to Sheol/hades. Unbelievers still go there.
1) The soul (no longer for the believer, but still true for the unbeliever) goes to Hades. Acts 2:27 BECAUSE THOU WILT NOT ABANDON MY SOUL TO HADES...
2) The inhabitants of Sheol are conscious. Ezek32:21 ''The strong among the mighty ones shall speak of him and his helpers from the midst of Sheol, They have gone down, they lie still, the uncircumcised, slain by the sword.'
3) Sheol is said to be in the lower parts of the earth. Eph4:9 (Now this expression, ''He ascended,'' what does it mean except that He also had descended into the lower parts of the earth? [10] He who descended is Himself also He who ascended far above all the heavens, that He might fill all things.) It's worth noting here that the body of Jesus was placed in a tomb which was on the surface of the earth. Tombs and graves are never said to be in the lower parts of the earth. Other passages that speak of Sheol/Hades as being 'down' and in 'the lower parts of the earth.' Gen 37:35; Job 11:8; Isa 44:23; 57:9; Ezek 26:20; Amos 9:2; Matt 11:23; Luke 10:15.
4) In Sheol, a person was reunited with his people. Gen15:15; 25:8; 35:29; 37:35; 49:33; Num 20:24, 28; 31:2; Deut 32:50; 34:5; 2 Sam 12:23.
5) Sheol has divisions. Deut 32:22 'For a fire is kindled in My anger, And burns to the lowest part of Sheol...
6) In figurative language, Sheol is said to have gates. Isa 38:10.
7) Unbelievers experience Gods judgment in Sheol.
a) Gods anger: Deut. 32:22
b) Writhing in pain: Job 26:5 The Hebrew word is Chool and means to travail, to twist and turn in pain like a woman giving birth.
c) Distress and sorrow: Psa 116:3; 118:5
Once resurrected out of Sheol/Hades, the unbeliever is cast bodily into the lake of fire where he experiences disgrace and everlasting contempt. Dan 12:2; John 5:28,29; Acts 24:15.
3)The eternal hell is 'Gehenna' or 'Tophet' or 'the lake of fire.' Gehenna was a garbage dump outside of Jerusalem where children had once been offered up to Molech, bodies were dumped and burned there and the fires never went out. Jesus used the term 'Gehenna' to illustrate to horrors of the lake of fire in a way which his audience would understand. Gehenna or the lake of fire is the final destination of the unbeliever. After unbelievers are raised out of Hades and judged at the Great White Throne, according to their works, they are sent to their final punishment Rev 20:11-15. They will share the lake of fire with the devil and his angels for whom the eternal fire has been prepared. Jesus warns of Gehenna in Matthew 10:24 among other passages. ''And do not fear those who kill the body, but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell (Gehenna).
The word destroy is Apollumi and does not mean cessation of existence, but rather it carries the meaning of utter ruination and eternal uselessness. It is used by Jesus in Matt 10:24 to describe the condition of the unbeliever in the lake of fire. Eternal torment in utter ruin and uselessness, and hopelessness. That is what awaits those who depart from this life without having accepted God's offer of salvation through faith in Jesus Christ.
My only concern about your proselytizing, Mike (and it is genuine concern in Christ's love) . . . is for your own particular fate. There are significant (and troubling) indications throughout scripture that we create our own heaven or hell by what we produce in our own consciousness. Even older beliefs (like Zoroastrian . . one of the sources of the Hell concept) . . . see Heaven and Hell in an interesting way. Heaven is described as an immortality of purity in thought, word, and deed. Hell is described as an eternity of evil thoughts, words, and deeds, and mental torment. Compare that with my notion of joining the consciousness of God (which cannot be other than pure thoughts, words, and deeds) or with joining the consciousnesses of the failures (which cannot be other than evil thoughts, words, and deeds).
From all that you post, it is evident that you are not even Christian. Therefore, be concerned with your own fate.
Mike, why don't you just go ahead and make a list of all the posters on C-D and show why each and every one of them are not Christians. You have even given reasons why your two biggest fans are going to hell, even though you won't tell them that directly.
If this was said to me i would consider it a compliment.
Mike if you could only see what you are saying . You are condemning men to eternal torment and now deciding who are the condemned .
All who are born into the world are already under eternal condemnation. The only way to cancel that, is to believe in Christ for salvation. Those who die without Christ remain eternally condemned.
John 3:16 'For God so loved the world that He gave His uniquely born Son, that whosoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life.And there is the good news.
As even the casual reader will notice, when the truth is presented, it brings out into the open, those who oppose it. This is the way of things in the devil's world.
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