Must one be born again in this life before they die in order to be saved? (Gospel, hell)
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Millions have lived and died without ever having heard the gospel message. Millions more have lived in circumstances that would have essentially made conversion to Christianity next to impossible. What kind of a God would condemn people to an eternity in Hell for something over which they have no control?
Not only do you not need to be born again in this life before you die . . . it is an impossibility!! To be born again . . . we MUST die and be reborn (born again) as Spirit. What is born as Spirit is Spirit . . . not flesh. What everyone who claims to be "born again" in this life of flesh means the phrase "Born of God" . . . which is "to be conceived" as in "begotten." We are "embryo Spirits" in our fleshy bodies when we are "Born of God" . . . not born again! Check your concordances and lexicons ("gennaō ek theos")
1 John 3:9 (King James Version)
9Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for His seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God("gennaō ek theos")
There can be no "born again" while in our physical bodies
John 3:6-8 (King James Version)
6That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must beborn again.
8The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
I don't know very many people still in their bodies who are like the wind and "bloweth where it listeth" etc.
Sure it is hard to turn 180 degrees from the world and thumb your nose at the pride nature and control of the devil and go call on the Lord Jesus , BUT Jesus has the power to help you go to him and is waiting for your call...... in Matthew 24:12-13.... ``and because iniquity shall abound the love of many shall wax cold.....but he that shall endure to the end , the same shall be saved``....
Do you believe that it is necessary to be born again in this life before you die in order to be saved?
To be born again means to transform your soul into a Divine Angel. We have to rid ourselves of the animal nature (flesh) and become Divine in nature (spirit). It's not impossible to do before death however, the majority die without being born again. Jesus was the first one to be born again in the Divine nature and He showed us how to do that. If He can do it, there is no excuse why anyone else can't.
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Jesus said ,writen of John 3;3,4,5,6,
Except a man is born again , he cannot see the kingdom of heaven, you must be born again. (paraphrased)
John 3;16,17,18,
condemnation rests on the world as a whole , believing Jesus ,is only ment for a select few.
Jesus said the way is narrow, He ment it, He provided the Holy Spirit to teach in His place and He did , and does all the time in those engulfed in this relationship with Jesus (not religion)
Rebirth is not something one discides on their own nor does joining a church or being baptized preform this mirical .
Like natural birth it is a process, impregnation , development, birth , growth.
Jesus observes the devotion of the individual. (His perspective, from with in) A desperately honest individual is a good candadate and He sends the Holy Spirit to visit. this is the test of influence not of men but of God.
You can not manufacture this, it is purely some thing God must perform.
When the mirical happens, it is as simple an event as waking up to a new day in a new life with hope and potential. The next phase is being emersed in the Holy spirit, which Jesus also does , this is the introduction of learning to listen to God , a primer. Many great thing fallow this as well as facing things we were afraid of before , realizing that you are not facing them alone any more.
I see the providence of God's watching over me all the time , and I endevor to listen to Him often. I lay my hands on sick and injured and they recover , God does it, not me. Their faith has something to do with it too.
Bottom line, Jesus is the author of the phrase ,"born again" see to His word , not men's twist to it.
You may not like the idea that all man is not capable of being saved because of a selectivity , but let me ask you this , would you invite all of mankind into your home and with your children and all your belongings ?
Doesn't anyone have an answer for my questions in my last post in this thread?
Anybody? ... Bueller? ...
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