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Different words are used for these 2 things however I see that people tend to think that they are the same thing - I would have thought that if they were the same thing only one word would have been used to describe it.
How I think of it is that being saved is saved from wrath and judgment - we are called to believe and repent and be saved.
When it talks about being born again - it is specifically of the spirit and the inability of being able to sin (however we know that while we are in the flesh we will sin) it is part of being human.
1Pe 1:22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1Jn 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
One must be born again of the water and of the Spirit in order to be saved. Of the water is all the spiritual benifits of water baptism in Jesus Christ name. Born of the Spirit is the Baptism in the Holy Spirit.
One must be born again of the water and of the Spirit in order to be saved. Of the water is all the spiritual benifits of water baptism in Jesus Christ name. Born of the Spirit is the Baptism in the Holy Spirit.
Maybe scripture to back up what you say - where is the scripture that says be born again and you will be saved? Scriptures seem to say believe and be saved - not be born again and be saved -----
and yes, I do know that being born again is by the Holy Spirit.
Different words are used for these 2 things however I see that people tend to think that they are the same thing - I would have thought that if they were the same thing only one word would have been used to describe it.
How I think of it is that being saved is saved from wrath and judgment - we are called to believe and repent and be saved.
When it talks about being born again - it is specifically of the spirit and the inability of being able to sin (however we know that while we are in the flesh we will sin) it is part of being human.
1Pe 1:22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1Jn 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
Regeneration = being born again = being saved. Different words to describe the same thing.
Regeneration is a theological term for 'being born again' which means you are saved or no longer under eternal condemnation. Being saved or born again means the believer is now a part of the royal family of God.
John 3:7 ''Do not marvel that I said to you, 'You must be born again'. (Jesus witnessing to the unsaved Nicodemus.)
Acts 16:31 'And they said, ''Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved...'
Believers sin. A believer cannot sin while filled with the Spirit. But when he gives in to temptation he comes under the control of his sin nature and he sins. He remains in the status Quo of carnality until he names the sin to God as per 1 John 1:9. That's why the believer is commanded to be filled with the Spirit. Eph. 5:18.
The believer is either under the control of the indwelling Holy Spirit or under the control of his sin nature. That is why the believer is commanded to not quench or grieve the Holy Spirit. 1 Thessalonians 5:19; Ephesians 4:30.
Maybe scripture to back up what you say - where is the scripture that says be born again and you will be saved? Scriptures seem to say believe and be saved - not be born again and be saved -----
and yes, I do know that being born again is by the Holy Spirit.
The word "saved" IMO carries a lot of meaning and is often not easy to define by using one event. Here are a few terms that collectively refer to our salvation, or being saved, but each term being a distinct element of being saved:
Rom 8:29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the first-born among many brethren;
Rom 8:30 and whom He predestined, these He also called; and whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.
All of these terms are intertwined with the word salvation, but we perceive those events happening at specific moments in time. Some events happen from eternity past, other elements such as our justification occurred at the cross, some parts of our salvation occur at regeneration (the new birth) that we participate in by faith of the Spirit, some during our sanctification in the Lord, and still more at the final resurrection. Salvation (it's meaning) is complex when one considers all it's aspects that will, in the end, conform us to the image of Christ.
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Interestingly, the term "saved" is used of believers in three different ways, or tenses:
In the past tense:
2Ti 1:9 who has saved us, and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own
In the present tense:
1Co 1:18 For the word of the cross is to those who are perishing foolishness, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
And in the future tense:
Rom 5:10 For if while we were enemies, we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.
Regeneration = being born again = being saved. Different words to describe the same thing.
Regeneration is a theological term for 'being born again' which means you are saved or no longer under eternal condemnation. Being saved or born again means the believer is now a part of the royal family of God.
John 3:7 ''Do not marvel that I said to you, 'You must be born again'. (Jesus witnessing to the unsaved Nicodemus.)
Acts 16:31 'And they said, ''Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved...'
Believers sin. A believer cannot sin while filled with the Spirit. But when he gives in to temptation he comes under the control of his sin nature and he sins. He remains in the status Quo of carnality until he names the sin to God as per 1 John 1:9. That's why the believer is commanded to be filled with the Spirit. Eph. 5:18.
The believer is either under the control of the indwelling Holy Spirit or under the control of his sin nature. That is why the believer is commanded to not quench or grieve the Holy Spirit. 1 Thessalonians 5:19; Ephesians 4:30.
So then would you consider "eternal life" to mean regeneration?
The word "saved" IMO carries a lot of meaning and is often not easy to define by using one event. Here are a few terms that collectively refer to our salvation, or being saved, but each term being a distinct element of being saved:
Rom 8:29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the first-born among many brethren;
Rom 8:30 and whom He predestined, these He also called; and whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.
All of these terms are intertwined with the word salvation, but we perceive those events happening at specific moments in time. Some events happen from eternity past, other elements such as our justification occurred at the cross, some parts of our salvation occur at regeneration (the new birth) that we participate in by faith of the Spirit, some during our sanctification in the Lord, and still more at the final resurrection. Salvation (it's meaning) is complex when one considers all it's aspects that will, in the end, conform us to the image of Christ.
Do you think that the rebirth is the process then and not just a one time event? And can the rebirth mean a rebirth of humanity or is it an individual thing?
I believe that none of these things can come about until one has a circumcised heart... which God alone can do...
I think some people have the cart before the horse and so believe that it is themselves that initiate the re-birthing process when the scripture is clear it is God who initiates the process. That is why it is interesting for some to totally block out that if God wants to sculpt you anew (because he is the potter and you are the clay) then he can do so at anytime he chooses, whether after death or before, or perhaps it is as another poster said that DEATH itself is the re-sculpting (cutting away the bad and leaving the good), so that you can die to the flesh or you can die in the flesh.
Do you think that the rebirth is the process then and not just a one time event? And can the rebirth mean a rebirth of humanity or is it an individual thing?
I believe that none of these things can come about until one has a circumcised heart... which God alone can do...
I think some people have the cart before the horse and so believe that it is themselves that initiate the re-birthing process when the scripture is clear it is God who initiates the process. That is why it is interesting for some to totally block out that if God wants to sculpt you anew (because he is the potter and you are the clay) then he can do so at anytime he chooses, whether after death or before, or perhaps it is as another poster said that DEATH itself is the re-sculpting (cutting away the bad and leaving the good), so that you can die to the flesh or you can die in the flesh.
Anyway, Good post 'bamastorm
I think our hearts being circumcised, or our rebirth of the Spirit, is a one time event for each person, but like you say, it only comes about by God's will and on His time schedule. When that event takes place we're able to receive the things of God and experience the fruits of the Spirit in our daily lives. Those blessings and fruits of the Spirit sculpt us into the image of Christ. I suppose collectively (an interesting point you bring up) it may also mean a rebirth of humanity when God is all in all.
1Co 15:28 and when the all things may be subjected to him, then the Son also himself shall be subject to Him, who did subject to him the all things, that God may be the all in all.
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