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Salvation cannot be lost period: <<<THAT IS A LIE FROM THE PIT OF HELL!
John 6: 38For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. 39And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.40And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
The first inheritance as pertaining to being that vessel unto honour in God's House can be lost if a believer does not depart from iniquity. The same believer that should happen to no longer believe but had their faith overthrown as the evolution theory has done to some believers.
2 Timothy 2: 18Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. 19Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. 20But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. 21If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work. 22Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart.
If you say unfair or post that this cannot be true, then consider the reality when a person is saved. Take note of this urgent reminder to all believers that are fornicators.
1 Corinthians 6:19What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 20For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
If that foundation is laid in Christ Jesus, then how one builds on that relationship is how one will be judged.
1 Corinthians 3:10According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. 11For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; 13Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. 14If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.16Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?17If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are....
As judgment will fall on the House of God first 1 Peter 4:17-19, and Jesus will finish what He has started in us including those left behind at the pretribulational rapture event: then we can see that chastening from God on the sons of disobedience as described in Hebrews 12th chapter.
Hebrews 12:1Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, 2Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God. 3For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds. 4Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin. 5And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him: 6For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. 7If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not? 8But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons. 9Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live? 10For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness. 11Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.
If you consider that those left behind would have to face the coming of the great tribulation: this would be the chastening for the moment that shall bring about the peaceable fruit of righteousness.
Revelation 14: 13And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.
The works that do follow them is to the dust as one would say happens to wood, stubble, and hay after being burned up.
What works would be considered as those that needs be burned up?
Keeping the sabbath for justification is a work that would be burned up.
If a believer keeps the sabbath to honour the Lord and not for justification, then that is not the same thing as that would not be an offense to the Lord, BUT tacking on our filthy rags of righteousness by the keeping of the law as if His blood and the body of His death wasn't good enough to bring us Home: then that is the offense that will needs be burned up BECAUSE no flesh shall glory in His presence, meaning, no one will be glorying in themselves in keeping the sabbath over other believers.
This would be akin to the foolish virgins that had no oil in their lamps and had to go to the market to get the oil. In an analogy, the keeping of the sabbath would be liken to going to the market as one that is not ready to go because there is one more thing to do in order to be "ready" to go.
But you have been made ready to go and to keep the sabbath for justification would be saying that one is not ready yet as in one is not justified yet, but we are justified by faith in Jesus Christ so we are ready to go at any time He calls.
So may every believer keep the sabbath because they want to: not because they have to, so that their faith in Jesus Christ for justification is not voided for them to be found naked of their faith in Him.
Otherwise, this would explain why robes had to be handed to those coming out of the great tribulation because they were naked of their faith in Christ.
Revelation 6: 9And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: 10And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? 11And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
So in spite of any believer's work, if it is for justification which is not by faith in Jesus Christ, those dead works will be burned up to keep the faith.
Colossians 1:20And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven. 21And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled 22In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: 23If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;....
Salvation can absolutely be lost! It is written!
If a Christian is saved, and at first, shows a passion for living a life in God's will, but has not yet been born-again, CHANGED, old man gone, new man ariseth...character of God begins being lived out in them, and then returns to living in their sinful ways, forgetting their first love...willfully comitting sin...then they were never His in the first place..."They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would [no doubt] have continued with us: but [they went out], that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us." (1 John 2:19). They are workers of iniquity...God hates workers of iniquity.
If a Christian is saved, and born-again, CHANGED, old man gone, new man ariseth...character of God begins being lived out in them, and returns to living in their sinful ways, willfully comitting sin...then they are lost...forever....It is written..."For if we willfully sin after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins." (Hebrews 10:26). Thus saith the LORD God Almighty....he who has an ear to hear...hear what the Spirit of God is saying to you.
In Christ's love...prayerfully in His truth,
Verna.
If a Christian is saved, and born-again, CHANGED, old man gone, new man ariseth...character of God begins being lived out in them, and returns to living in their sinful ways, willfully comitting sin...then they are lost...forever....It is written..."For if we willfully sin after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins." (Hebrews 10:26). Thus saith the LORD God Almighty....he who has an ear to hear...hear what the Spirit of God is saying to you.
In Christ's love...prayerfully in His truth,
Verna.
I believe Verna is correct: salvation can indeed be lost, and yes, it IS written, as she says. I (like most of you, I'm sure) have known a handful of people who became "Christian", served God for a time, but after awhile decided to turn their backs on God and go back into the world...to become servants of sin yet again. What do you suppose God will think of those people?
Do not be one of those who falls away from the faith, but press on to the very end...don't ever return to the worldly life of sin you once served...
Luke 9:62
And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.
Christ is obedient. If you have Christ your saved. Therefore, if you have Christ your obedient. Therefore, if you are not obedient, you don't have Christ, and are not saved.
Rememebr that teh Devi is a fallen angel. if he can fall its logiacl that we can and certainly the bible does not say the devil is heaven bound.
Amen!
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Originally Posted by BudinAk
I believe Verna is correct: salvation can indeed be lost, and yes, it IS written, as she says. I (like most of you, I'm sure) have known a handful of people who became "Christian", served God for a time, but after awhile decided to turn their backs on God and go back into the world...to become servants of sin yet again. What do you suppose God will think of those people?
Do not be one of those who falls away from the faith, but press on to the very end...don't ever return to the worldly life of sin you once served...
Luke 9:62
And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.
Bud
Amen!
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Originally Posted by trettep
Christ is obedient. If you have Christ your saved. Therefore, if you have Christ your obedient. Therefore, if you are not obedient, you don't have Christ, and are not saved.
If a Christian is saved, and at first, shows a passion for living a life in God's will, but has not yet been born-again, CHANGED, old man gone, new man ariseth...character of God begins being lived out in them, and then returns to living in their sinful ways, forgetting their first love...willfully comitting sin...then they were never His in the first place..."They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would [no doubt] have continued with us: but [they went out], that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us." (1 John 2:19). They are workers of iniquity...God hates workers of iniquity.
If a Christian is saved, and born-again, CHANGED, old man gone, new man ariseth...character of God begins being lived out in them, and returns to living in their sinful ways, willfully comitting sin...then they are lost...forever....It is written..."For if we willfully sin after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins." (Hebrews 10:26). Thus saith the LORD God Almighty....he who has an ear to hear...hear what the Spirit of God is saying to you.
In Christ's love...prayerfully in His truth,
Verna.
Actually Verna, if what you teach is correct and I don't think you believe it all is, then there is not one person who accepts Christ that hasn't lost their salvation, this also includes you.
You can claim what you like, but there is no way you will be able to say that some where along the line you did not willfully commit a sin.
If there is no way to gain back your salvation once you give it up by willfully sinning, then your are doomed. To try to say that you keep the 10 commandments so that this excuses you from your willful sins is an error.
But you know this and your posts are more to battle the conflict that is waging in your own heart.
You are a victim of religious nonsense, throw the bathwater out and let the baby go with it and you will find a freedom you never thought possible.
If a Christian is saved, and at first, shows a passion for living a life in God's will, but has not yet been born-again, CHANGED, old man gone, new man ariseth...character of God begins being lived out in them, and then returns to living in their sinful ways, forgetting their first love...willfully comitting sin...then they were never His in the first place..."They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would [no doubt] have continued with us: but [they went out], that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us." (1 John 2:19). They are workers of iniquity...God hates workers of iniquity.
No. Salvation cannot be lost: once you have been bought with a price and sealed as His, you are His forever as God will judge His people that has His seal, scourging every child of disobedience He receives.
1 John 2:19 is referring to those that are the elect. And yes, God hates all workers of iniquity and that is why judgment will fall on the House of God first: 1 Peter 4:17. In 2 Timothy 2:18-26, even those whom had their faith overthrown are still His including those that have been ensnared by the devil, but unless they repent of their iniquity, they will become vessels unto dishonour in God's House.
The power of God in salvation will be seen even in those left behind at the pre tribulational rapture event because the foolish virgins will have oil for their lamps and be shining as the prodigal sons will be returning because he is still son albeit that both will be weeping and gnashing of teeth over being left behind, incurring the loss of their first inheritance.
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If a Christian is saved, and born-again, CHANGED, old man gone, new man ariseth...character of God begins being lived out in them, and returns to living in their sinful ways, willfully comitting sin...then they are lost...forever....It is written..."For if we willfully sin after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins." (Hebrews 10:26). Thus saith the LORD God Almighty....he who has an ear to hear...hear what the Spirit of God is saying to you.
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In Christ's love...prayerfully in His truth,
Verna.
Hebrews 10:26 is applicable for those that believe that the first sacrifice of sin wasn't good enough: it is the sin of unbelief that a continual sacrifice for sins is still necessary and thus this would be a reproof towards the Mass.
If you consider the parable of the sower: then you can see why God will judge His people.
Matthew 13: 18Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower. 19When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side. 20But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it; 21Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended. 22He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful. 23But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.
2 Corinthians 5:9Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him. 10For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. 11Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.
Every believer that cares about their relationship with the Lord should know that He is with us always and therefore we can rely on Him to help us live the christian life while we rest in Him for eternal life.
Collosians 1:20And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven. 21And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled 22In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: 23If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;...27To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: 28Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:
1 John 3: 3And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
Jude 1: 24Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, 25To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.
"Sirs, whatmust I do to be saved?"
They replied, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household." Acts 16:29-31
Then they asked him, "Whatmustwe do to do the works God requires?"
Jesus answered, "The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent."John 6:27-29
And without faith it is impossible to please God,because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him. Hebrews 11:6
It's by faith, but Jesus makes it very clear that lip service isn't what makes a "christian" is either.
" 'These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.' "
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Mat:7:13: Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
15: Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16: Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17: Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18: A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19: Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20: Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Mat:7:21: Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22: Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23: And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
"Sirs, whatmust I do to be saved?"
They replied, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household." Acts 16:29-31
Then they asked him, "Whatmustwe do to do the works God requires?"
Jesus answered, "The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent."John 6:27-29
And without faith it is impossible to please God,because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him. Hebrews 11:6
It's by faith, but Jesus makes it very clear that lip service isn't what makes a "christian" is either.
" 'These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.' "
Because they were teaching the doctrines of the commandments of men.
When "Believers" do anything for self justification as in to save themselves, then they are labouring in unbelief as well as worshipping Him in vain.
We follow Him so as to obtain the prize of that higher calling of Christ and that is to be that vessel unto honour in His House.
We should hold onto what we have heard in the beginning in defending the faith which is the good fight.
Collosians 1:20And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven. 21And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled 22In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: 23If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;...27To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: 28Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:
1 John 3: 3And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
Jude 1: 24Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, 25To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.
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