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Mat:7:13: Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
15: Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16: Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17: Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18: A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19: Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20: Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Mat:7:21: Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22: Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23: And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity..
The fruit of the false prophets is it being ecumenical in nature: gathering grapes of thorns and figs of thistles.
Promise Keepers' : a movement of men and the "holy laughter" : a movement of the "Spirit" are both ecumenical and apostates movements.
It is true that they can never lose their salvation once they have been bought with a price and sealed as His, BUT it is their first inheritance which is in jeopardy if any believer decides to make like the prodigal son in living the wild life, they will find that they have given up their first inheritance which is to be that vessel unto honour in God's House: the elect aka the disciples.
There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth over the loss of their first inheritance when they see they have been left behind at the pre tribulational rapture event which is also when judgment will fall on the House of God at that time, seperating the foolish virgins that has departed from faith from the chaste bride of Christ that kept the faith as well as seperating the prodigal son from the loyal son.
There is a high calling of Christ and a race to run to be that vessel unto honour in God's House, but there is a rest in Jesus Christ that we are His as we look to the author and finsiher of our faith to help us lay aside every weight and sin that so easily besets us so we are able to run the race.
Notice here how those overthrown in their faith are still His.
2 Timothy 2: 18Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. 19Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. 20But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. 21If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work. 22Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart.
So there is a call to every believer that name the name of Christ to depart from iniquity. Even those that had believed but no longer are still His, but they run the risk of being left behind if they are still denying Him when judgment falls on the House of God: they miss out on that eternal glory which comes with our salvation which is in Christ Jesus.
2 Timothy 2: 10Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory. 11It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him: 12If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: 13If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself. 14Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers. 15Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
If we put into remembrance what happens at salvation, we know that every believer has been bought with a price and sealed as His, but how they build on that foundation will show how they are living that personal reconciled relationship with Jesus Christ. If they only build upon it wood, stubble, and hay, then when judgment falls on the House of God, the "temple" of God will be destroyed and thus becoming a vessel unto dishonour in His house and yet he shall be saved as through fire.
1 Corinthians 3:10According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. 11For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; 13Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. 14If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. 16Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 17If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are....21Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are your's; 22Whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are your's; 23And ye are Christ's; and Christ is God's.
1 Corinthians 6:19What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 20For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
So there is a call to depart from iniquity for every believer as we look to Jesus Christ and trust Him as Our Good Shepherd to help us lay aside every weight and sin that so easily besets us so we can obtain that eternal glory of being that vessel unto honour in God;s House that comes with our salvation which is in Jesus Christ.
Hebrews 12: 1Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, 2Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
I would emphasize once again that it is not salvation which is at stake, but the first inheritance and why every believer should be exhorted to be that vessel unto honour in God's House by heeding that high calling of Christ.
Philippians 3: 14I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
Philippians 4:13I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.
So for those that have gone astray and have become deceased:
John 6: 38For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. 39And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. 40And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Yet for those that have gone astray and are still among the living:
2 Corinthians 5: 7(For we walk by faith, not by sight8We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. 9Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him. 10For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. 11Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.
No believer will want to be left behind or become that vessel unto dishonour in God's House. The loss will be severe enough that God will have to wipe away those tears in order for those believers to get past their losses, but make no mistake: it is a loss. Once the doors are shut for the Marriage Supper of the Lamb, that inheritance can never be had ever again so that call is urgent.
No one can lose their salvation: but they can lose their first inheritance. How we run that race is important as it must always be done by faith in Jesus Christ wherein is our resting place.
Colossians 1:20And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven. 21And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled 22In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: 23If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;....27To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: 28Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus: 29Whereunto I also labour, striving according to his working, which worketh in me mightily.
If every believer knows about the reality of their new life in Christ in that He is with us always as being in us, how then should we live but to walk with God?
You have to hear the spoken Word or the gospel first before you have something to obey. I'm a saint who preaches the gospel in case you want to obey someone. He's the only one who can deliver you of all your sins and make you a saint, too.
You have to hear the spoken Word or the gospel first before you have something to obey. I'm a saint who preaches the gospel in case you want to obey someone. He's the only one who can deliver you of all your sins and make you a saint, too.
True: Jesus is the only One that can deliver anyone from all of their sins and make them a saint too.
As for the spoken word: the Gospel: if by believing what we are hearing is the answer of a good conscience towards God, then that is obeying the gospel of grace.
To be His disciple is also by His grace. We can ask for His help and trust Him to make us His disciples.
True: Jesus is the only One that can deliver anyone from all of their sins and make them a saint too.
As for the spoken word: the Gospel: if by believing what we are hearing is the answer of a good conscience towards God, then that is obeying the gospel of grace.
To be His disciple is also by His grace. We can ask for His help and trust Him to make us His disciples.
Grace is for all God's created people and by the sacrifice of Jesus' flesh, all people will be forgiven of their sins when they die in the flesh according to the laws that Jesus fulfilled. The penalty of sin is death so when the flesh is dead of a man, he has paid the penalty in full. Then he's freed to remain in God until paradise is ready.
The saints were forgiven of all their sins while they were living and preached the gospel until they were killed.
Grace is for all God's created people and by the sacrifice of Jesus' flesh, all people will be forgiven of their sins when they die in the flesh according to the laws that Jesus fulfilled. The penalty of sin is death so when the flesh is dead of a man, he has paid the penalty in full. Then he's freed to remain in God until paradise is ready.
The saints were forgiven of all their sins while they were living and preached the gospel until they were killed.
If you are speaking for Universal Reconciliation: then I disagree.
Salvation is obtained whenever anyone hears and believes the Gospel in order to be saved. If one does not have His seal before he dies: then he is none of His.
If you are speaking for Universal Reconciliation: then I disagree.
Salvation is obtained whenever anyone hears and believes the Gospel in order to be saved. If one does not have His seal before he dies: then he is none of His.
The scriptures do not ever even once mention that people must confess Christ or be "sealed" before they die in order to be saved.
You are adding to the scriptures in order to prove your argument.
If you are speaking for Universal Reconciliation: then I disagree.
Salvation is obtained whenever anyone hears and believes the Gospel in order to be saved. If one does not have His seal before he dies: then he is none of His.
God didn't create us as flesh. He created us in his image which is only thoughts. We need a body to experience our thoughts so when we die, our image, which we can call our heart, mind and soul, will remain as thoughts in God until paradise is ready.
The earth is going to start changing soon and this will cause the hot molten lava from under the crust to melt the crust. This will destroy everything on earth, including our flesh. But we'll all be as thoughts in God through this whole meltdown and destruction. When the earth cools down again, there won't be any mountains or oceans to make room for all God's creation to experience life in new immortal bodies.
The scriptures do not ever even once mention that people must confess Christ or be "sealed" before they die in order to be saved.
You are adding to the scriptures in order to prove your argument.
It is not an argument.
Romans 8: 9But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. 10And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. 12Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. 13For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. 14For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. 15For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. 16The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: 17And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. 18For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. 19For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God. 20For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope, 21Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. 22For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. 23And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body. 24For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for? 25But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
There are no other manifestations that creation is waiting for.
Romans 8: 9But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. 10And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. 12Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. 13For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. 14For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. 15For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. 16The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: 17And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. 18For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. 19For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God. 20For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope, 21Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. 22For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. 23And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body. 24For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for? 25But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
There are no other manifestations that creation is waiting for.
In no way do the scriptures you posted above teach that one confess Christ or be "sealed" before they die in order to be saved.
Like I said, you are adding to the scriptures ...
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8We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. 9Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him. 10For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. 11Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences. 
