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Sounds like you're wrestling with a contradiciton there sport.
Yes God is love. But that doesn't mean that we as humans can love everybody sexually. There are restrictions, and that's has been my main point in this thread. We can love, with an agape love, a love that God commands all of us to have for each other, but when you are saying that the love covers me loving the same sex and justifying having sex with the same sex on the grounds that God is love, then, show me in the bible where God said that I can love the same sex to the point of having sex with him, then I will shut the bleep up!!!.
Why should Christians (and anyone else) be interested to know what homosexuality is? This doesn't make any sense. I don't have problem with anyone choosing to be homosexual, but I am not interested to know their reasons, etc. It is their business, not mines.
You gave the PERFECT example of WHY you need to know. Because you believe the lie that people CHOOSE to be gay. Which is the CORE reason behind the discriminatory laws and the thought that 'gay people deserve it because they made a lifestyle choice' Beliefs affect behavior which affects LIFE ITSELF. IF you choose to be ignorant (which is the real sin) than you choose to add to pain and suffering.
You gave the PERFECT example of WHY you need to know. Because you believe the lie that people CHOOSE to be gay. Which is the CORE reason behind the discriminatory laws and the thought that 'gay people deserve it because they made a lifestyle choice' Beliefs affect behavior which affects LIFE ITSELF. IF you choose to be ignorant (which is the real sin) than you choose to add to pain and suffering.
Here's what Merriam-Webster says:
1ho·mo·sex·u·al
adj
\ˌhō-mə-ˈsek-sh(ə-)wəl, -ˈsek-shəl\ Definition of HOMOSEXUAL
1 : of, relating to, or characterized by a tendency to direct sexual desire toward another of the same sex
2 : of, relating to, or involving sexual intercourse between persons of the same sex
— ho·mo·sex·u·al·lyadverb First Known Use of HOMOSEXUAL
1892
Hmmm.....stuff we already know. So what are we missing as far as what else there is to know about homosexuality? I must be missing the point here. I don't mean to be condescending but anything beyond a literal meaning is speculation, such as whether or not one is born gay or whether or not it's a choice. I made a choice to be celibate, and so can others no matter what their sexual preference. I'm still on the fence as far as how I actually feel about the whole gay thing, but one thing I know for sure is that it is in fact, a choice.
EDIT TO ADD: I forgot to mention that I totally disagree with discrimination against gays and their lifestyle. I hate what is happening to all these young people who are gay and committing suicide because they feel they have no other way out. It's terrible and I can understand that part of the ignorance and intolerance you are talking about.
Last edited by Ilene Wright; 10-10-2010 at 09:13 AM..
adj
\ˌhō-mə-ˈsek-sh(ə-)wəl, -ˈsek-shəl\ Definition of HOMOSEXUAL
1 : of, relating to, or characterized by a tendency to direct sexual desire toward another of the same sex
2 : of, relating to, or involving sexual intercourse between persons of the same sex
— ho·mo·sex·u·al·lyadverb First Known Use of HOMOSEXUAL
1892
Hmmm.....stuff we already know. So what are we missing as far as what else there is to know about homosexuality? I must be missing the point here. I don't mean to be condescending but anything beyond a literal meaning is speculation, such as whether or not one is born gay or whether or not it's a choice. I made a choice to be celibate, and so can others no matter what their sexual preference. I'm still on the fence as far as how I actually feel about the whole gay thing, but one thing I know for sure is that it is in fact, a choice.
EDIT TO ADD: I forgot to mention that I totally disagree with discrimination against gays and their lifestyle. I hate what is happening to all these young people who are gay and committing suicide because they feel they have no other way out. It's terrible and I can understand that part of the ignorance and intolerance you are talking about.
I think that is the point - that it is not a choice. Having sex is a choice but who you are attracted to is not. Homosexual does not refer to only people who are actively engaging in sexual activity - it refers to their sexual orientation. You can be celibate and still be homosexual. You can be celibate and still be a heterosexual. It's not like people are asexual until they have sex. The homosexuality part is in no way shape or form a choice - having sex is. I certainly did not choose to be straight. And every single gay friend and relative that I know certainly did not choose to be gay.
I think the more that people are educated on this one fact - the better it will be for everyone.
EDIT TO ADD: I forgot to mention that I totally disagree with discrimination against gays and their lifestyle.
Funny thing, I do not know any gay person with a lifestyle just as I don't know any non-gay person with a lifestyle. I do know many gay (and non-gay) people with lives. When you use the term lifestyle you make it seem like a choice, it is not. That term can be very derogatory and is used to justify treatment of gays and lesbians as less than equal.
[quote=Ilene Wright;16207274]Here's what Merriam-Webster says:
1ho·mo·sex·u·al
adj
\ˌhō-mə-ˈsek-sh(ə-)wəl, -ˈsek-shəl\ Definition of HOMOSEXUAL
1 : of, relating to, or characterized by a tendency to direct sexual desire toward another of the same sex
2 : of, relating to, or involving sexual intercourse between persons of the same sex
— ho·mo·sex·u·al·lyadverb First Known Use of HOMOSEXUAL
1892
Hmmm.....stuff we already know. So what are we missing as far as what else there is to know about homosexuality? I must be missing the point here. I don't mean to be condescending but anything beyond a literal meaning is speculation, such as whether or not one is born gay or whether or not it's a choice. I made a choice to be celibate, and so can others no matter what their sexual preference. I'm still on the fence as far as how I actually feel about the whole gay thing, but one thing I know for sure is that it is in fact, a choice.
ACTUALLY SINCE YOU"RE INCORRECT> IT"S NOT A FACT> you're talking to an UNCHOSEN GAY PERSON RIGHT NOW. Since I"m walking proof that you're INCORRECT. Now that you've been proven incorrect. time to readjust the worldview
I made a choice to be celibate, and so can others no matter what their sexual preference. I'm still on the fence as far as how I actually feel about the whole gay thing, but one thing I know for sure is that it is in fact, a choice.
I apologize for not reading all of the posts in this thread, but there are so many! So are you saying that the attraction is a choice or that the decision to act on it is a choice? I'm not gay but I have always believed that the attraction itself is not a choice but that the decision to act on it is.
Yes God is love. But that doesn't mean that we as humans can love everybody sexually. There are restrictions, and that's has been my main point in this thread. We can love, with an agape love, a love that God commands all of us to have for each other, but when you are saying that the love covers me loving the same sex and justifying having sex with the same sex on the grounds that God is love, then, show me in the bible where God said that I can love the same sex to the point of having sex with him, then I will shut the bleep up!!!.
Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of sins. 1 Peter 4:8
I think that is the point - that it is not a choice. Having sex is a choice but who you are attracted to is not. Homosexual does not refer to only people who are actively engaging in sexual activity - it refers to their sexual orientation. You can be celibate and still be homosexual. You can be celibate and still be a heterosexual. It's not like people are asexual until they have sex. The homosexuality part is in no way shape or form a choice - having sex is. I certainly did not choose to be straight. And every single gay friend and relative that I know certainly did not choose to be gay.
I think the more that people are educated on this one fact - the better it will be for everyone.
adj
\ˌhō-mə-ˈsek-sh(ə-)wəl, -ˈsek-shəl\ Definition of HOMOSEXUAL
1 : of, relating to, or characterized by a tendency to direct sexual desire toward another of the same sex
2 : of, relating to, or involving sexual intercourse between persons of the same sex
— ho·mo·sex·u·al·lyadverb First Known Use of HOMOSEXUAL
1892
Hmmm.....stuff we already know. So what are we missing as far as what else there is to know about homosexuality? I must be missing the point here. I don't mean to be condescending but anything beyond a literal meaning is speculation, such as whether or not one is born gay or whether or not it's a choice. I made a choice to be celibate, and so can others no matter what their sexual preference. I'm still on the fence as far as how I actually feel about the whole gay thing, but one thing I know for sure is that it is in fact, a choice.
EDIT TO ADD: I forgot to mention that I totally disagree with discrimination against gays and their lifestyle. I hate what is happening to all these young people who are gay and committing suicide because they feel they have no other way out. It's terrible and I can understand that part of the ignorance and intolerance you are talking about.
Sister Ilene, you are clearly confusing what a person is with what a person does.
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