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Personally, I can see the detrimental effects of non-monagamous hetero/homo relationships as well as of pornography. It makes sense to me that it is benficial to abstain from those things. But what do you see as the downside to a monogamous homosexual relationship? How is it harmful to the people involved? Why would it make sense to abstain from that if one is, by nature, homosexual?
Bumping, because I'd like to see an answer to this from any Christian who agrees with Thomas that homosexuality is a natural tendency that should be denied because the bible calls it a sin.
If one assumes that God does not give any law arbitrarily, but rather because it is for the good of individuals or society in general, then this should not be a difficult thing to answer. How is it sensible or beneficial for someone who is, by nature, homosexual to abstain from a monogamous homosexual relationship? How is it beneficial to society in general?
Originally Posted by Thomas R. However Christianity isn't really about going with your natural urges come what may. The average heterosexual in America, I think I read, has 5 to 8 sexual partners in a lifetime. Considering the average American hetero is not married anywhere near five times they are presumably partaking of sex that goes against Christian teaching. The average American Christian, in specific, buys at least some porn in their life.
Christianity could say "well as most do it go with it, whatever" but that is not what Christianity is about as far as I know. It's more about a willingness to abandon your own base desires for a greater goal of service to neighbor, the least among us, and God. It's not supposed to be an easy path of following your psychosexual or consumer or what have you desires.
Personally, I can see the detrimental effects of non-monagamous hetero/homo relationships as well as of pornography. It makes sense to me that it is benficial to abstain from those things. But what do you see as the downside to a monogamous homosexual relationship? How is it harmful to the people involved? Why would it make sense to abstain from that if one is, by nature, homosexual?
exactly. MONOGOMOUS relationships that WE form are JUST as valid as relationshipos that STRAIGHT people form. They're about LOVE and COMMITMENT>
If you live by the law you better be preaching it all. Not just the top 10 plus homosexuality and a couple others, all 613.
Jesus took all of that away, we no longer have a checklist, our fruit of the spirit is love not a list.
The Mosiac law does not apply to the church. It was given only to Israel.
Here is a list of sin's that God gave:Galatians 5:16-21. Given just before verse 22 which mentions the fruit of the Spirit.
Here is another list of sins which God hates:Proverbs 6:16-19.
The sins mentioned in both lists are sins commited by believers of any period of human history.
Sin is sin regardless of whether it is mentioned in the Mosaic Law or not. Murder is still murder even though Christians are not under the law. Homosexuality is still a sin.
Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed because of homosexuality long before the Mosaic law was given.
1 Corinthians 6:9'Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? (It says inherit. Not inhabit). Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10] nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God. Eternal rewards are in view. Not eternal salvation.
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The Mosiac law does not apply to the church. It was given only to Israel.
Here is a list of sin's that God gave:Galatians 5:16-21. Given just before verse 22 which mentions the fruit of the Spirit.
You missed the part that said "and the like", it was not a complete list, just an example. Again, you either live by the law or live by the grace of God. Not knowing what "and the like" are could be dangerous if it were not for Jesus on Cross.
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Here is another list of sins which God hates:
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Proverbs 6:16-19.
The sins mentioned in both lists are sins commited by believers of any period of human history.
Sin is sin regardless of whether it is mentioned in the Mosaic Law or not. Murder is still murder even though Christians are not under the law. Homosexuality is still a sin.
Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed because of homosexuality long before the Mosaic law was given.
1 Corinthians 6:9'Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? (It says inherit. Not inhabit). Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10] nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God. Eternal rewards are in view. Not eternal salvation.
Jesus said the law is summed up with Love, murder is not love. It is assumed that S&G were destroyed for homosexuality but it doesn't really saw that is the reaosn, man has assumed that is the reason.
You missed the part that said "and the like", it was not a complete list, just an example. Again, you either live by the law or live by the grace of God. Not knowing what "and the like" are could be dangerous if it were not for Jesus on Cross.
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Jesus said the law is summed up with Love, murder is not love. It is assumed that S&G were destroyed for homosexuality but it doesn't really saw that is the reaosn, man has assumed that is the reason.
Jesus died so we don't have to keep a list.
So you are saying as long as we do everything in love it's good? For example, having sex outside of marriage is okay since we don't have to keep a list? I'm confused.
You missed the part that said "and the like", it was not a complete list, just an example. Again, you either live by the law or live by the grace of God. Not knowing what "and the like" are could be dangerous if it were not for Jesus on Cross.
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Jesus said the law is summed up with Love, murder is not love. It is assumed that S&G were destroyed for homosexuality but it doesn't really saw that is the reaosn, man has assumed that is the reason.
Jesus died so we don't have to keep a list.
I didn't miss anything. I merely provided a couple of passages concerning sin.
Sin is still an issue in the life of the believer, not in terms of salvation, but because it puts a believer out of fellowship with God and brings about divine discipline.
Nothing about this is about the law. Homosexuality is a sin before, during, and after the law.
Sodom and Gormorrah were destroyed because of the decadence of which homosexuality was a big part. As God said in Genesis 18:20 ''The outcry of Sodom and Gomorrah is indeed great, and their sin is exceedingly grave.'' Except for Lot, there were no other believers in those cities.
The men of Sodom wanted to have sexual relations with the men who were actually angels as per Genesis 19.
Again, the Mosaic law has nothing to do with the fact the homosexuality is a sin. You brought up the law because of the passage that I used.
exactly. MONOGOMOUS relationships that WE form are JUST as valid as relationshipos that STRAIGHT people form. They're about LOVE and COMMITMENT>
No they are not. God does not recognize any homosexual relationship. Such relationships are an abomination to God. Marriage and sex were designed by God to be between a man and a woman. Period. Genesis 2: 22-25.
And to the extent that any nation condones and encourages such abomination, it sets itself up for divine judgment.
Being gay i KNOW that my sexual orientation wasn't a choice, I would've rather had cancer than been gay......Thoughts?
That people who post such are looking to justify their evil desires. You know it's evil, you know of people that have left that lifestyle, and you are full aware of God's condemnation of that chosen lifestyle and you know the scriptures that say such (being an evil choice).
To compare it to a race of people is insulting to God.
No they are not. God does not recognize any homosexual relationship. Such relationships are an abomination to God. Marriage and sex were designed by God to be between a man and a woman. Period. Genesis 2: 22-25.
And to the extent that any nation condones and encourages such abomination, it sets itself up for divine judgment.
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