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Leviticus 18:22 states it clearly. 'You shall not lie with a male as with a female...'
Romans 1:26 is clear: 'For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural 27] and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men commiting indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.
A homosexual who has posted on this forum is being answered. And stating the truth of the word of God is not judging.
Do you obey all of the other "sins" listed in Leviticus?
Read the literal version of Romans, (not just 2 verses) it is not as clear. I do say that a lot of things are not the optimum and most of the OT laws were more things to help keep us from having problems, I don't belive that God was really as angry about a lot of those things as was made out.
The bigger point is focus on Jesus not "sins" that are easy targets, preach the gospel.
If you are quick to state the truth of the law, I hope you do so with all 613 many of which are in Leviticus.
We’re all being tested in way or another. Some of us struggle at one sin and yet some another. If one is Gay but remains to do what Gad has asked him or her to do they shall be saved. We’re tempted and Satan knows this. I know this is a tough battle as I was a porn addict for 7 years. The result Demons came into my apartment. They did stuff that would scare the Heck out of you. I also had an affair with a guy at 19 and a couple of one night stands. No more for me. I know God says it is a sin. He always teaches marriage between a man and a woman. Never ever the same sex does God support in any way shape or form. I have sinned but I have turned to Jesus for help. We all have sinned Romans 3:23 but justified freely through the redemption of Christ Jesus. I’ve done as you have and I know what the Bible says. I won’t twist it up to suit my own needs.[/quote]
I'm not a sex addict. A sexual orientation isn't an addiction. If it is than EVERYONE IN THE WORLD is an addict because everyone has one. You can't 'overcome' your orientation.
Homosexuality is a sin as is clearly shown in the Bible. The normal soul function of a person can be twisted, distorted from that which is normal by the way a person reacts to circumstances in life - by a persons thought patterns. The old sin nature has trends. In some people the trend is toward asceticism. In others the trend is toward lasciviousness which means '1. Given to or expressing lust; lecherous. 2. Exciting sexual desires; salacious.' Since God designed marriage and sex to be between a man and a woman, Satan, who opposes God in every way, promotes homosexuality. This is the devils world with all of its many influences. And when a person rejects God's truth, God will turn a person over to their own desires that they may do that which is unnatural and an abominination.
Homosexuality, beastiality, Pedifilia, necrophilia are all unnatural practices and are sins.
Homosexuality is but one way in which a soul may be twisted, and a person who is caught up in it is entirely responsible for it.
A man may have a desire to have sex with a woman outside of marriage, but it doesn't mean that he gives in to the desire.
But in large part, homosexuals have become a very militant group who demand to be allowed to indulge themselves in their unnatural practices. Indeed, many of them flaunt their sin. Gay parades? Abomination!!!
God judges nations, and public and governmental acceptance and promotion of homosexuality brings divine judgment on a nation.
Romans 1:21 For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God, or give thanks; but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22] Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23] and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures. 24] Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, that their bodies might be dishonored among them. 25] For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. 26] For this reason God gave them over to degrading pasions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27] and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire for one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.
Homosexuality is one way in which the sin nature may influence a person who has turned away from God and become involved in Satan's cosmic system.
Leviticus 18:20 'And you shall not have intercourse with your neighbors wife, to be difiled with her. 21] Neither shall you give any of our offspring to offer them to Molech (child sacrifice), nor shall you profane the name of your God; I am the LORD. 22] You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination, 23] Also you shall not have intercourse with any animal to be defiled with it, nor shall any woman stand before an animal to mate with it; it is a perversion.24] Do not defile yourselves by any of these things; for by all these the nations which I am casting out before you have become defiled. 25] 'For the land has become defiled, therefore I have visited its punishment upon it, so the land has spewed out its inhabitants.
Homosexuality, and other things as mentioned above, brings about national judgment.
Like many homosexuals, you attempt to refute what the word of God says by inferring 'cultural context misunderstandings and mistranslations'. No, there are no mistranslations involved, or cultural context misunderstandings. These are feeble excuses given by those who want to be condoned for their unnatural desires and practices.
I'll take the word of thousands of highly educated professionals before I believe in a book written by men to spread fear amongst people and maintain control of some people who cannot or will not think for themselves. Your words are part of the reason that 5 young gay men commited suicide these past 2 weeks. Their blood is partially on your hands and in your consciousness. . I know.....I've been there and lost friends myself...think before you type....your words may "push" the next young gay person over the edge...NOONE has that right and unless you yourself are gay and/or have gay friends then you know nothing about the subject and should not try to influence others; especially the young and vulnerable.
Homosexuality is a sin as is clearly shown in the Bible. The normal soul function of a person can be twisted, distorted from that which is normal by the way a person reacts to circumstances in life - by a persons thought patterns. The old sin nature has trends. In some people the trend is toward asceticism. In others the trend is toward lasciviousness which means '1. Given to or expressing lust; lecherous. 2. Exciting sexual desires; salacious.' Since God designed marriage and sex to be between a man and a woman, Satan, who opposes God in every way, promotes homosexuality. This is the devils world with all of its many influences. And when a person rejects God's truth, God will turn a person over to their own desires that they may do that which is unnatural and an abominination.
Homosexuality, beastiality, Pedifilia, necrophilia are all unnatural practices and are sins.
Homosexuality is but one way in which a soul may be twisted, and a person who is caught up in it is entirely responsible for it.
A man may have a desire to have sex with a woman outside of marriage, but it doesn't mean that he gives in to the desire.
But in large part, homosexuals have become a very militant group who demand to be allowed to indulge themselves in their unnatural practices. Indeed, many of them flaunt their sin. Gay parades? Abomination!!!
God judges nations, and public and governmental acceptance and promotion of homosexuality brings divine judgment on a nation.
Romans 1:21 For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God, or give thanks; but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22] Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23] and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures. 24] Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, that their bodies might be dishonored among them. 25] For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. 26] For this reason God gave them over to degrading pasions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27] and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire for one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.
Homosexuality is one way in which the sin nature may influence a person who has turned away from God and become involved in Satan's cosmic system.
Leviticus 18:20 'And you shall not have intercourse with your neighbors wife, to be difiled with her. 21] Neither shall you give any of our offspring to offer them to Molech (child sacrifice), nor shall you profane the name of your God; I am the LORD. 22] You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination, 23] Also you shall not have intercourse with any animal to be defiled with it, nor shall any woman stand before an animal to mate with it; it is a perversion.24] Do not defile yourselves by any of these things; for by all these the nations which I am casting out before you have become defiled. 25] 'For the land has become defiled, therefore I have visited its punishment upon it, so the land has spewed out its inhabitants.
Homosexuality, and other things as mentioned above, brings about national judgment.
Like many homosexuals, you attempt to refute what the word of God says by inferring 'cultural context misunderstandings and mistranslations'. No, there are no mistranslations involved, or cultural context misunderstandings. These are feeble excuses given by those who want to be condoned for their unnatural desires and practices.
No they are not. God does not recognize any homosexual relationship.
The only possibly way a person can know what God recognizes absolutely or God believes is to be God. Otherwise you are projecting what you think God recognizes.
You realize that by being so absolute about God's beliefs you are putting yourself on par with God, namely you are saying you are perfect.
Maybe you should go back and read the part of the Bible where it says we shouldn't act/think/behave like God and judge on God's behalf.
When you are reborn as God manifested in the human flesh, come back and talk to me, until then keep your arrogance and hubris to yourself.
Being gay i KNOW that my sexual orientation wasn't a choice, I would've rather had cancer than been gay. I was always a very religious kid. My main goal in life was always to fit in and blend in with the crowd. The LAST thing I would want would to be different. Recently it dawned on me that the reason many Christians REFUSE to accept the FACT that a sexual orientation is NOT a choice is because this would mean that THEIR understanding of the LITERAL interpretation of the bible (albeit not accurately interpreted because of cultural context misunderstandings and mistranslations) IS INCORRECT. This would make them question THEIR WHOLE WORLDVIEW. If the Bible can be wrong about ONE thing maybe other things are incorrect too..
The problem is SO MANY people KNOW gay people and know their truths and their lives. THERE WOULD BE no struggle if it was CHOICE. Homosexuality being a CHOICE would END homosexuality. Gay teenagers who have a CHOICE don't commit suicide over their sexual orientation. THEY JUST CHANGE THEIR ORIENTATION. Common sense and first hand proof via ASKING GAY PEOPLE proves that being gay is NOT a choice. Unfortunately this DOES prove that FUNDAMENTALISTS version of the Bible has been proven to be INCORRECT. So what this really is all about is THEM and their SELFISHNESS. They'd rather keep things IN THEIR MINDS the way they want them to be FOR THEIR OWN BENEFIT and HARM gay people rather than embrace the possibility that they could be INCORRECT. It's an EGO thing. Thoughts?
Every sin is a choice. Homosexuality is a Sin and is a choice. You cannot see this because you are in bondage and are being decieved by Satan to believe otherwise. Come to Jesus and be cleansed. Let the washing by the water of the word cleans your eyes and allow you to see the bondage you are in for what it is.
It is written, "It was for freedom that Christ set us free". Be free from the bondage of sin by the freedom in Christ Jesus.
I'll take the word of thousands of highly educated professionals before I believe in a book written by men to spread fear amongst people and maintain control of some people who cannot or will not think for themselves. Your words are part of the reason that 5 young gay men commited suicide these past 2 weeks. Their blood is partially on your hands and in your consciousness. . I know.....I've been there and lost friends myself...think before you type....your words may "push" the next young gay person over the edge...NOONE has that right and unless you yourself are gay and/or have gay friends then you know nothing about the subject and should not try to influence others; especially the young and vulnerable.
Everyone is responsible for their own thoughts, motivations, actions, and reactions.
Homosexualtiy and antisemitism are two of the worst things that can happen to a country. God judges nations for both. Homosexuality is a sin and an abnormal or deviant behavior which is motivated by the old sin nature. No one is born homosexual, just as no one is born a pedophile or a necrophile. Nor is anyone born with a predilection for sex with animals. These are all particular soul kinks that manifest themselves in some people who are not oriented to truth.
Romans 1:18-32 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,
because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures. Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper, being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice; they are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, without understanding, untrustworthy, unloving, unmerciful; and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them.
Those homosexuals who commited suicide were entirely responsible for their own actions. They made their choice to take their own lives. And they made their choice to give in to their abnormal lusts. Like all sin, homosexuality is a sin against God.
You say that you will not believe the word of God. That is your choice. As for me, I will forever stand in the truth of the word of the living God.
The only possibly way a person can know what God recognizes absolutely or God believes is to be God. Otherwise you are projecting what you think God recognizes.
You realize that by being so absolute about God's beliefs you are putting yourself on par with God, namely you are saying you are perfect.
Maybe you should go back and read the part of the Bible where it says we shouldn't act/think/behave like God and judge on God's behalf.
When you are reborn as God manifested in the human flesh, come back and talk to me, until then keep your arrogance and hubris to yourself.
God has clearly revealed Himself in His written word. Homosexuality is a sin against God. That is an absolute.
Romans 1:18-32 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,
because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures. Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper, being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice; they are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, without understanding, untrustworthy, unloving, unmerciful; and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them.
God has clearly revealed Himself in His written word. Homosexuality is a sin against God. That is an absolute.
Romans 1:18-32 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,
because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures. Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper, being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice; they are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, without understanding, untrustworthy, unloving, unmerciful; and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them.
I try very hard to stay out of homosexual discussions because, honestly, I just don't know quite how to feel about it. We must try and put ourselves in a gay person's shoes, even though personally I don't have a gay bone in my body. I've struggled with the issue of it probably as much as a gay person struggles with being gay. I went to school with many gay people and back then I just didn't see it as an issue. The only reason I see it as a possible issue now is because of what the Bible says about it. It appears to be a sin, an abomination even.
But let's look at it from a gay person's perspective who loves the Lord and wants nothing more than to be "normal" according to the world's standards. It's not happening. Do you live the lie and marry the opposite sex just because that's what is considered "normal"? Or do you find your soulmate and live out a happy life like most people want and deserve? If it's a monogamous union and these two people love each other and the Lord then what is wrong with it, exactly? Even if they don't have a relationship with God and they have a committed relationship, then what is the problem? How does that affect you? Or anyone else? Are we misunderstanding the biblical message here?
There seems to be a loving homosexual relationship in the Bible (someone help me out here, can't remember who or where) between two men that is very much condoned by God. Just more of that contradiction that keeps me wondering about so many things. Since I have started to believe in Universal Reconciliation, I have started to see so many things in a different light and homosexuality is one of them. I am so saddened that it is making my eyes well up right now by the rash of suicides of young gay men here lately because of bullying that it just sickens my heart.....this is definitely not what God would want. We should embrace each other, work through our differences and live and let live. Isn't the most important thing Jesus Christ? Why focus on someone's personal life? We're all responsible for our own lives, and we will be responsible for what we do to others and how we treated them. That's how we will be judged, not by our sexual preferences.
I do believe that we will be judged for promiscuity, whether homo or hetero. That's a fact. But it is no one's, I repeat, NO ONE's job to judge another in this life. So quoting scripture and being arrogant and condemning does nothing to help someone who is searching or needs help. Even if they have decided to live how they feel then what concern is it of anyone else's? Isn't it better to live the truth than to live a lie and ruin other people's lives in the process? This is such a sensitive subject and I just don't think that it can or will ever be properly addressed in this forum. God bless you OP and I wish you all the best.
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. I know.....I've been there and lost friends myself...think before you type....your words may "push" the next young gay person over the edge...NOONE has that right and unless you yourself are gay and/or have gay friends then you know nothing about the subject and should not try to influence others; especially the young and vulnerable.
