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Thank you ILNC. I just wish that people would listen to the truth of God's word.
I know me too. Keep up the great posts Mike! You bring such glory and honor to God!!! Stand firm and keep fighting the good fight Mike!!!
Christ is the Savior for all, but His salvation becomes effective only for those who trust Him.
Do you obey all of the other "sins" listed in Leviticus?
Read the literal version of Romans, (not just 2 verses) it is not as clear. I do say that a lot of things are not the optimum and most of the OT laws were more things to help keep us from having problems, I don't belive that God was really as angry about a lot of those things as was made out.
The bigger point is focus on Jesus not "sins" that are easy targets, preach the gospel.
If you are quick to state the truth of the law, I hope you do so with all 613 many of which are in Leviticus.
You've already been told, I think twice now, that homosexuality has always been a sin, before, during, and after the law. And the law was given only to Israel. It was not given to the Gentiles, and it has not been given to the church. The focus of this thread is homosexuality. And homosexuality remains a sin.
I know me too. Keep up the great posts Mike! You bring such glory and honor to God!!! Stand firm and keep fighting the good fight Mike!!! Christ is the Savior for all, but His salvation becomes effective only for those who trust Him.
First, let me say, I don't have a dog in this fight, I am not gay, no one in my family is gay, but as a human being, with moral values I find the judgment and hatred in this thread to be disgusting, especially when religion is the motivation.
To all those attacking anyone you don't approve of by using bits and pieces of your scripture;
Did you applaud the gay college student jumping off the GW Bridge, your vehement hatred expressed here leads me to believe you probably did. Did you come up with some nonsensical justification, like gods will, blah blah?
Are those that choose to broadcast your hatred by quoting scripture proud of what you represent, the hatred, the intolerance, the devastation that it causes other people? Your actions are disgusting, and so very much UNLIKE the loving and caring god you profess is real.
Now Atheists have been drawn into this and compared as equally vile as the homosexuals you have been expressing your blind hatred for, for pages and pages of your hatred. If your actions and words are a true representation of what your god represents, then you are the greatest recruitment motivation for becoming an Atheists that ever existed.
I'm really sorry that your god isn't real, for if he were, the looks on your faces when you were judged for using him name to express intolerance and hatred would be priceless, as you exit for the stairs, the ones going down.
Are you proud of your words, are you proud of your hatred? Did you conveniently skip over the part in your reference book you find all your passages of hatred in about the part of not judging others?
Go and pray in your churches tomorrow, for you are the ones that should be on your knees asking for forgiveness.
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I try very hard to stay out of homosexual discussions because, honestly, I just don't know quite how to feel about it. We must try and put ourselves in a gay person's shoes, even though personally I don't have a gay bone in my body. I've struggled with the issue of it probably as much as a gay person struggles with being gay. I went to school with many gay people and back then I just didn't see it as an issue. The only reason I see it as a possible issue now is because of what the Bible says about it. It appears to be a sin, an abomination even.
But let's look at it from a gay person's perspective who loves the Lord and wants nothing more than to be "normal" according to the world's standards. It's not happening. Do you live the lie and marry the opposite sex just because that's what is considered "normal"? Or do you find your soulmate and live out a happy life like most people want and deserve? If it's a monogamous union and these two people love each other and the Lord then what is wrong with it, exactly? Even if they don't have a relationship with God and they have a committed relationship, then what is the problem? How does that affect you? Or anyone else? Are we misunderstanding the biblical message here?
There seems to be a loving homosexual relationship in the Bible (someone help me out here, can't remember who or where) between two men that is very much condoned by God. Just more of that contradiction that keeps me wondering about so many things. Since I have started to believe in Universal Reconciliation, I have started to see so many things in a different light and homosexuality is one of them. I am so saddened that it is making my eyes well up right now by the rash of suicides of young gay men here lately because of bullying that it just sickens my heart.....this is definitely not what God would want. We should embrace each other, work through our differences and live and let live. Isn't the most important thing Jesus Christ? Why focus on someone's personal life? We're all responsible for our own lives, and we will be responsible for what we do to others and how we treated them. That's how we will be judged, not by our sexual preferences.
I do believe that we will be judged for promiscuity, whether homo or hetero. That's a fact. But it is no one's, I repeat, NO ONE's job to judge another in this life. So quoting scripture and being arrogant and condemning does nothing to help someone who is searching or needs help. Even if they have decided to live how they feel then what concern is it of anyone else's? Isn't it better to live the truth than to live a lie and ruin other people's lives in the process? This is such a sensitive subject and I just don't think that it can or will ever be properly addressed in this forum. God bless you OP and I wish you all the best.
Wonderful, beautiful post. You made my eyes tear up. Thank you for sharing this from your heart.
I try very hard to stay out of homosexual discussions because, honestly, I just don't know quite how to feel about it. We must try and put ourselves in a gay person's shoes, even though personally I don't have a gay bone in my body. I've struggled with the issue of it probably as much as a gay person struggles with being gay. I went to school with many gay people and back then I just didn't see it as an issue. The only reason I see it as a possible issue now is because of what the Bible says about it. It appears to be a sin, an abomination even.
But let's look at it from a gay person's perspective who loves the Lord and wants nothing more than to be "normal" according to the world's standards. It's not happening. Do you live the lie and marry the opposite sex just because that's what is considered "normal"? Or do you find your soulmate and live out a happy life like most people want and deserve? If it's a monogamous union and these two people love each other and the Lord then what is wrong with it, exactly? Even if they don't have a relationship with God and they have a committed relationship, then what is the problem? How does that affect you? Or anyone else? Are we misunderstanding the biblical message here?
There seems to be a loving homosexual relationship in the Bible (someone help me out here, can't remember who or where) between two men that is very much condoned by God. Just more of that contradiction that keeps me wondering about so many things. Since I have started to believe in Universal Reconciliation, I have started to see so many things in a different light and homosexuality is one of them. I am so saddened that it is making my eyes well up right now by the rash of suicides of young gay men here lately because of bullying that it just sickens my heart.....this is definitely not what God would want. We should embrace each other, work through our differences and live and let live. Isn't the most important thing Jesus Christ? Why focus on someone's personal life? We're all responsible for our own lives, and we will be responsible for what we do to others and how we treated them. That's how we will be judged, not by our sexual preferences.
I do believe that we will be judged for promiscuity, whether homo or hetero. That's a fact. But it is no one's, I repeat, NO ONE's job to judge another in this life. So quoting scripture and being arrogant and condemning does nothing to help someone who is searching or needs help. Even if they have decided to live how they feel then what concern is it of anyone else's? Isn't it better to live the truth than to live a lie and ruin other people's lives in the process? This is such a sensitive subject and I just don't think that it can or will ever be properly addressed in this forum. God bless you OP and I wish you all the best.
A voice of reason out of the chorus of unreasonable hatred. Thanks Ilene
You've already been told, I think twice now, that homosexuality has always been a sin, before, during, and after the law. And the law was given only to Israel. It was not given to the Gentiles, and it has not been given to the church. The focus of this thread is homosexuality. And homosexuality remains a sin.
I don't see a loving God giving a darn about what adults do that is voluntary. Sorry, I feel man influenced the writings to suit their biases.
Be that a it may, the bigger picture is Jesus is the way, not works.
I don't see a loving God giving a darn about what adults do that is voluntary. Sorry, I feel man influenced the writings to suit their biases.
Be that a it may, the bigger picture is Jesus is the way, not works.
Sin has nothing to do with works. Sin is a trangression against almighty God. Your belief that man influenced (changed) the word of God is erroneous. But at least straight thinking believers know that you reject the truth and think God to be incapable of protecting His written word down through history. I don't think any more time needs to be spend replying to you.
I don't think any more time needs to be spend replying to you.
Some people are happy in their hate, very sad.
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