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In him and through him and because of him, you have made manifest that which has been hidden from us before. In his thoughts, actions, and attitude, we are brought face to face with ourselves.* As you manifested that which was Christlike in us all, he brought to light that which was (and is) Anti-Christ in us all.
Now we know and are without excuse. As your Spirit remains with us long after the events of the gospel narrative have come and gone, so his spirit remains with us, whispering to us, seducing us, delivering us into judgment, again and again and again.
Thank you, God, for the Pharisee!
Someone has to play straight-man for You.
Someone has to set You up for the punch line!
Mystic and Ironmaw...and anyone else who seems to think you can just rip out the first half of the Bible and reject it...that it is of no effect any longer...LIES!!!...nothing but lies!...
Hebrews 6:17 Because God wanted to make the unchanging nature of his purpose very clear to the heirs of what was promised, he confirmed it with an oath.
Galatians 3:15 Brothers, let me take an example from everyday life. Just as no one can set aside or add to a human covenant that has been duly established, so it is in this case.
....READ THESE PASSAGES!!!!!!!!........
16The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. The Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed,” meaning one person, who is Christ.
17 What I mean is this: The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the promise.
18 For if the inheritance depends on the law, then it no longer depends on a promise; but God in his grace gave it to Abraham through a promise.
19What, then, was the purpose of the law? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. The law was put into effect through angels by a mediator.
20 A mediator, however, does not represent just one party; but God is one.
21Is the law, therefore, opposed to the promises of God? Absolutely not! For if a law had been given that could impart life, then righteousness would certainly have come by the law.
22But the Scripture declares that the whole world is a prisoner of sin, so that what was promised, being given through faith in Jesus Christ, might be given to those who believe.
23Before this faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed.
>>>>24 So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christthat we might be justified by faith.<<<<
...it (the law) hasn't gone anywhere!!!!
25Now that faith has come, we [the faithful and obedient to God's commands] are no longer under the supervision of the law.
...but if you don't have faith in Jesus Christ, the WORD of God, Who has commanded His people FROM THE BEGINNING! to this day! to be obedient to His commands...guess what...? YOU ARE! under the supervision of the law! Thus saith the LORD God Almighty!
Ecclesiastes 1:9What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun
Ecclestiastes 3:15 What is happening now has happened before, and what will happen in the future has happened before, because God makes the same things happen over and over again.
...the Old Testament is a foreshadow of things yet to come!...
God's ways in the past foreshadow His dealings in the future, for He changeth not. Scripture
distinctly tells us that "one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one
day,"...so from this we can conclude most assuradely! that the six days' work by God in Genesis
foreshadows six thousand years of human trials and tests and tribulations...and on the seventh day
Jesus our King and Righteous Judge shall preside...and this dispensation will last exactly! one
thousand years!
You have no New Testament without the Old Testament. Period.
In Christ's love...and prayerfully in His truth,
Verna.
2Cr 3:14
But their minds were blinded: for until this day remains the same veil not taken away in the reading of the old testament; which veil is done away in Christ.
Hbr 7:12-19
For when the priesthood is changed, of necessity there takes place a change of law also. For the one concerning whom these things are spoken belongs to another tribe, from which no one has officiated at the altar. For it is evident that our Lord was descended from Judah, a tribe with reference to which Moses spoke nothing concerning priests. And this is clearer still, if another priest arises according to the likeness of Melchizedek, who has become such not on the basis of a law of physical requirement, but according to the power of an indestructible life. For it is attested of Him,
“YOU ARE A PRIEST FOREVER
ACCORDING TO THE ORDER OF MELCHIZEDEK.”
For, on the one hand, there is a setting aside of a former commandment because of its weakness and uselessness (for the Law made nothing perfect), and on the other hand there is a bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God.
To bad that you reject what the new testament teaches about the weakness and uselessness of the old testament, and the fact that the old law/commandment has been changed due to the work of Christ on the cross and his becoming the new high priest.
Its very sad that you are still blinded by the veil in the reading of the old testament and therefore the liberty promised in Christ through the gospel of the new testament is out of your reach because you have fallen from Grace. But Christ is the great physician, and eventually he will heal your hardened heart and darkened mind.
In Christ's love...and prayerfully in His truth,
Ironmaw1776
What is true of the Bible as a whole is equally true of that part of the Bible which is known as the Old Testament.
You deny the Old Testament a rightful place in Christian thought and life. I stand strong alongside the Church as a whole, from ages past! in the belief that the Old Testament IS! a part of the canon of Christian sacred writings.
Do you not understand within all that intelligence you throw out here, that the Old Testament played an important part in the religious life of Jesus? No one, and I mean, NO ONE! can seriously study the records of his life without seeing that he got most of his spiritual nourishment from its pages...HE LIVED BY THE REVELATIONS OF THE OLD TESTAMENT!...in the moment of his worst! temptation, his greatest distress, and bitterest agony, the words of the Old Testament were on his lips, and they inspired his heart and mind. Jesus' attitude toward those ancient writings clearly! explains the high esteam he placed upon them by his followers...
>>> (NEW TESTAMENT WORDS FROM THE MOUTH OF JESUS!) >>>John 8:39 "Abraham is our father," they answered. "If you were Abraham's children," said Jesus, >>>"then you would do the things Abraham did.<<<
Do you realize nearly three hundred quotations from the Old Testament are scattered throughout the Gospels and Epistles? Do you understand that in many of the passages is the value of Old Testament study specifically encouraged? For example, 2 Timothy 3:15-17, (in words from the OLD! Testament!)...: "The sacred writings which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. Every scripture inspired of God is also profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for instruction which is in righteousness: that the man of God may be complete, furnished completely unto every good work."
Jesus' immediate followers gave us an accurate portrayal of him in the New Testament, the Christian view today of the Old Testament should reflect the view of Jesus and of those who, as a result of their intimate fellowship with him, were in a position to give a correct interpretation of him and his teaching.
The New Testament view of the Old Testament is suggested in Hebrews 1:1, 2...where it states: "God, having of old time spoken unto the fathers in the prophets by divers portions and in divers manners, hath at the end of these days spoken unto us in a Son." ....God spoke; God spoke in the prophets; God spoke in divers portions; God spoke in divers manners; the words imply that the Old Testament dispensation was incomplete; it had to be supplemented and perfected by a revelation in and through a Son...but how dare YOU! suggest that the Old Testament is of no effect any longer!...how dare you!
Christians who understand and respect ALL! the WORDS that proceed out of the mouth of God (I being one of them!) believe that God reveals himself to-this-day in divers manners and means. God reveals himself in the events of history...and He has not changed one iota...His commands...His precepts...His laws... His promises...His WORD!
The Psalms contain the outpourings of devout souls who came into the very presence of God, held communion with him, and were privileged to hear the sweet sound of his voice. No other Book of the Bible can lift us into such an atmosphere of religious thought and emotion...don't you just adore those beautiful lyrics of the Psalms...?...in the Old Testament...?!!!...then there's Isaiah....Jeremiah...Job...Ezekiel...Daniel...I LOVE THEM ALL!!!!...and Proverbs!...AWESOME!!! I cannot imagine a day without them!
For thus it had behoved the sons of Abraham [to be], whom God has raised up to him from the stones,...
[Matthew 3:9 And do not think you can say to yourselves, 'We have Abraham as our father.' I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham.
Acts 13:26 "Brothers, children of Abraham, and you God-fearing Gentiles, it is to us that this message of salvation has been sent.
Romans 4:1 What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather, discovered in this matter?
Romans 9:7 Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham's children. On the contrary, "It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned."
Romans 9:8 In other words, it is not the natural children who are God's children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's offspring.
Galatians 3:29If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.]
In Christ both covenants are prefigured...that he might be the father of all who follow the Word of God...those who are faithful and obedient...
Ephesians 2:20 "...built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone."
He gathered into the one faith of Abraham those who, from eithercovenant, are eligible for God's building...connecting the end with the beginning, the first and the last.
"He that is spiritual judgeth all things." ALL The Scriptures are included among the "all things." But notice, Paul does not say that anyone may set himself up as judge, but "he that is spiritual"; that is, the man who is controlled by the Spirit of Christ.
In Christ's love...and prayerfully in His truth,
Verna.
"Let the Bible go forth into Christendom as it is in itself, as a book like other books, without allowing any dogmatic theory to assign it to a reserved position in the ranks of books, let it accomplish of itself entirely through its own character and through that which each man can find in it for himself, and it will accomplish great things." Richard Rothe.
What is true of the Bible as a whole is equally true of that part of the Bible which is known as the Old Testament.
You deny the Old Testament a rightful place in Christian thought and life. I stand strong alongside the Church as a whole, from ages past! in the belief that the Old Testament IS! a part of the canon of Christian sacred writings.
Do you not understand within all that intelligence you throw out here, that the Old Testament played an important part in the religious life of Jesus? No one, and I mean, NO ONE! can seriously study the records of his life without seeing that he got most of his spiritual nourishment from its pages...HE LIVED BY THE REVELATIONS OF THE OLD TESTAMENT!...in the moment of his worst! temptation, his greatest distress, and bitterest agony, the words of the Old Testament were on his lips, and they inspired his heart and mind. Jesus' attitude toward those ancient writings clearly! explains the high esteam he placed upon them by his followers...
>>> (NEW TESTAMENT WORDS FROM THE MOUTH OF JESUS!) >>>John 8:39 "Abraham is our father," they answered. "If you were Abraham's children," said Jesus, >>>"then you would do the things Abraham did.<<<
Do you realize nearly three hundred quotations from the Old Testament are scattered throughout the Gospels and Epistles? Do you understand that in many of the passages is the value of Old Testament study specifically encouraged? For example, 2 Timothy 3:15-17, (in words from the OLD! Testament!)...: "The sacred writings which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. Every scripture inspired of God is also profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for instruction which is in righteousness: that the man of God may be complete, furnished completely unto every good work."
Jesus' immediate followers gave us an accurate portrayal of him in the New Testament, the Christian view today of the Old Testament should reflect the view of Jesus and of those who, as a result of their intimate fellowship with him, were in a position to give a correct interpretation of him and his teaching.
The New Testament view of the Old Testament is suggested in Hebrews 1:1, 2...where it states: "God, having of old time spoken unto the fathers in the prophets by divers portions and in divers manners, hath at the end of these days spoken unto us in a Son." ....God spoke; God spoke in the prophets; God spoke in divers portions; God spoke in divers manners; the words imply that the Old Testament dispensation was incomplete; it had to be supplemented and perfected by a revelation in and through a Son...but how dare YOU! suggest that the Old Testament is of no effect any longer!...how dare you!
Christians who understand and respect ALL! the WORDS that proceed out of the mouth of God (I being one of them!) believe that God reveals himself to-this-day in divers manners and means. God reveals himself in the events of history...and He has not changed one iota...His commands...His precepts...His laws... His promises...His WORD!
The Psalms contain the outpourings of devout souls who came into the very presence of God, held communion with him, and were privileged to hear the sweet sound of his voice. No other Book of the Bible can lift us into such an atmosphere of religious thought and emotion...don't you just adore those beautiful lyrics of the Psalms...?...in the Old Testament...?!!!...then there's Isaiah....Jeremiah...Job...Ezekiel...Daniel...I LOVE THEM ALL!!!!...and Proverbs!...AWESOME!!! I cannot imagine a day without them!
For thus it had behoved the sons of Abraham [to be], whom God has raised up to him from the stones,...
[Matthew 3:9 And do not think you can say to yourselves, 'We have Abraham as our father.' I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham.
Acts 13:26 "Brothers, children of Abraham, and you God-fearing Gentiles, it is to us that this message of salvation has been sent.
Romans 4:1 What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather, discovered in this matter?
Romans 9:7 Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham's children. On the contrary, "It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned."
Romans 9:8 In other words, it is not the natural children who are God's children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's offspring.
Galatians 3:29If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.]
In Christ both covenants are prefigured...that he might be the father of all who follow the Word of God...those who are faithful and obedient...
Ephesians 2:20 "...built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone."
He gathered into the one faith of Abraham those who, from eithercovenant, are eligible for God's building...connecting the end with the beginning, the first and the last.
"He that is spiritual judgeth all things." ALL The Scriptures are included among the "all things." But notice, Paul does not say that anyone may set himself up as judge, but "he that is spiritual"; that is, the man who is controlled by the Spirit of Christ.
In Christ's love...and prayerfully in His truth,
Verna.
"Let the Bible go forth into Christendom as it is in itself, as a book like other books, without allowing any dogmatic theory to assign it to a reserved position in the ranks of books, let it accomplish of itself entirely through its own character and through that which each man can find in it for himself, and it will accomplish great things." Richard Rothe.
Amen.
I will not speak for Mystic, but i for one throw out nothing. The old testament is still important, as a shadow of the new testament. The old testament can only be truly understood in light of the new testament. That is what it means to rightly divide the scriptures. The law of the old testament is what must be set aside, because it is weak and useless except for the fact that it brings conviction of sin, and thus also causes sin to abound even more.
Instead of realizing that the new testament is a change of the law in the old testament, you and many others seek to synthesize them into one, and you interpret the new testament according to the shadows of the old, instead of understanding the shadows of the old for what they are in the light of the new testament. That is why you believe that God hates sinners and hates his enemies and that is why you do not understand the true nature and character of god which was perfectly exemplified in the person of Christ.
The old testament is like old wine skins, and like the old carnal man that does not bring life, but only brings death. The new testament is like new wine skins and brings liberty from the death and condemnation which are transmitted by the useless and weak law of the old testament.
The old testament by itself only blinds the eye, hardens the heart, and darkens the mind, but the new testament shines a light into the darkness of the old testament, and shows the old testament as a stark contrast whereby we are able to recognize the light and life and liberty which is transmitted through the new testament, and the gospel of Christ.
Trying to harmonize the two testaments and synthesize them into one cohesive whole without realizing that they are meant to contrast one another is like trying to mix oil and water. And I believe that is why you are unable to understand the true message of the scriptures altogether ...
You have to put aside the condemnation and death which the old commandment brings, and receive the liberty and life of the new commandment which is the love of God and for all people.
The fact that you teach that God does not love all people is the greatest evidence of the fact that you are in error.
Last edited by Ironmaw1776; 10-24-2010 at 10:44 PM..
What is true of the Bible as a whole is equally true of that part of the Bible which is known as the Old Testament.
You deny the Old Testament a rightful place in Christian thought and life. I stand strong alongside the Church as a whole, from ages past! in the belief that the Old Testament IS! a part of the canon of Christian sacred writings.
Do you not understand within all that intelligence you throw out here, that the Old Testament played an important part in the religious life of Jesus? No one, and I mean, NO ONE! can seriously study the records of his life without seeing that he got most of his spiritual nourishment from its pages...HE LIVED BY THE REVELATIONS OF THE OLD TESTAMENT!...in the moment of his worst! temptation, his greatest distress, and bitterest agony, the words of the Old Testament were on his lips, and they inspired his heart and mind. Jesus' attitude toward those ancient writings clearly! explains the high esteam he placed upon them by his followers...
>>> (NEW TESTAMENT WORDS FROM THE MOUTH OF JESUS!) >>>John 8:39 "Abraham is our father," they answered. "If you were Abraham's children," said Jesus, >>>"then you would do the things Abraham did.<<<
Do you realize nearly three hundred quotations from the Old Testament are scattered throughout the Gospels and Epistles? Do you understand that in many of the passages is the value of Old Testament study specifically encouraged? For example, 2 Timothy 3:15-17, (in words from the OLD! Testament!)...: "The sacred writings which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. Every scripture inspired of God is also profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for instruction which is in righteousness: that the man of God may be complete, furnished completely unto every good work."
Jesus' immediate followers gave us an accurate portrayal of him in the New Testament, the Christian view today of the Old Testament should reflect the view of Jesus and of those who, as a result of their intimate fellowship with him, were in a position to give a correct interpretation of him and his teaching.
The New Testament view of the Old Testament is suggested in Hebrews 1:1, 2...where it states: "God, having of old time spoken unto the fathers in the prophets by divers portions and in divers manners, hath at the end of these days spoken unto us in a Son." ....God spoke; God spoke in the prophets; God spoke in divers portions; God spoke in divers manners; the words imply that the Old Testament dispensation was incomplete; it had to be supplemented and perfected by a revelation in and through a Son...but how dare YOU! suggest that the Old Testament is of no effect any longer!...how dare you!
Christians who understand and respect ALL! the WORDS that proceed out of the mouth of God (I being one of them!) believe that God reveals himself to-this-day in divers manners and means. God reveals himself in the events of history...and He has not changed one iota...His commands...His precepts...His laws... His promises...His WORD!
The Psalms contain the outpourings of devout souls who came into the very presence of God, held communion with him, and were privileged to hear the sweet sound of his voice. No other Book of the Bible can lift us into such an atmosphere of religious thought and emotion...don't you just adore those beautiful lyrics of the Psalms...?...in the Old Testament...?!!!...then there's Isaiah....Jeremiah...Job...Ezekiel...Daniel...I LOVE THEM ALL!!!!...and Proverbs!...AWESOME!!! I cannot imagine a day without them!
For thus it had behoved the sons of Abraham [to be], whom God has raised up to him from the stones,...
[Matthew 3:9 And do not think you can say to yourselves, 'We have Abraham as our father.' I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham.
Acts 13:26 "Brothers, children of Abraham, and you God-fearing Gentiles, it is to us that this message of salvation has been sent.
Romans 4:1 What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather, discovered in this matter?
Romans 9:7 Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham's children. On the contrary, "It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned."
Romans 9:8 In other words, it is not the natural children who are God's children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's offspring.
Galatians 3:29If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.]
In Christ both covenants are prefigured...that he might be the father of all who follow the Word of God...those who are faithful and obedient...
Ephesians 2:20 "...built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone."
He gathered into the one faith of Abraham those who, from eithercovenant, are eligible for God's building...connecting the end with the beginning, the first and the last.
"He that is spiritual judgeth all things." ALL The Scriptures are included among the "all things." But notice, Paul does not say that anyone may set himself up as judge, but "he that is spiritual"; that is, the man who is controlled by the Spirit of Christ.
In Christ's love...and prayerfully in His truth,
Verna.
"Let the Bible go forth into Christendom as it is in itself, as a book like other books, without allowing any dogmatic theory to assign it to a reserved position in the ranks of books, let it accomplish of itself entirely through its own character and through that which each man can find in it for himself, and it will accomplish great things." Richard Rothe.
Amen.
Also, the Psalms are purportedly the poetic writings of King David after he had sinned against God and fallen into Condemnation. They are a mixture of words of desolation and of words of hope. When David wrote that God hates sinners, he was referring to himself as much as anyone else, and he felt isolated and rejected by God for his multitude of sins.
But you read the Psalms like they are a hand book for the understanding of the true nature of god, which they are not, though in many places they do shadow the true nature of God, while in others they completely misinterpret the character of god due to the fact that David was under so much condemnation for his many sins.
Also, the Psalms are purportedly the poetic writings of King David after he had sinned against God and fallen into Condemnation. They are a mixture of words of desolation and of words of hope. When David wrote that God hates sinners, he was referring to himself as much as anyone else, and he felt isolated and rejected by God for his multitude of sins.
But you read the Psalms like they are a hand book for the understanding of the true nature of god, which they are not, though in many places they do shadow the true nature of God, while in others they completely misinterpret the character of god due to the fact that David was under so much condemnation for his many sins.
David just felt like God hated him. It's the same throughout the Bible. Jonah said that God hated heathens and he wasn't going to tell them that God loved them. Job thought God hated him and he wanted to go to hell (the grave) to get away from God. Many people think God hates them and they get into a very destructive mentality when they do this; they see God as a fickle parent who loves them one day and wants to torment them the next.
But David soon came to find out that he would much rather be judged by God
than be judged by humans, and Job found out that just because everything is going wrong and your life is falling apart doesn't mean God's angry.
God is not anything like humans. But humans sure think he is, and it sure comes out in their writings.
What is true of the Bible as a whole is equally true of that part of the Bible which is known as the Old Testament.
You deny the Old Testament a rightful place in Christian thought and life.
Your misunderstanding of God from reading the OT is not all that you do not understand. I deny no such thing!. That is YOUR interpretation based on your preference for our ancestor's ignorant interpretations of the OT. I believe in a more educated and intelligent interpretation based on the "mind of Christ" and the TRUE NATURE of God . . . NOT the evil descriptions of Jehovah.
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I stand strong alongside the Church as a whole, from ages past! in the belief that the Old Testament IS! a part of the canon of Christian sacred writings.
Of course it is part of the canon . . .but the OT has a veil of ignorance over it that can only be lifted by Christ who has revealed the TRUE NATURE of God to us so that we might use His Holy Spirit (the "mind of Christ") to lift the veil of ignorance and interpret the OT without the human weaknesses attributed to God by our primitive and ignorant ancestors.
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Do you not understand within all that intelligence you throw out here, that the Old Testament played an important part in the religious life of Jesus? No one, and I mean, NO ONE! can seriously study the records of his life without seeing that he got most of his spiritual nourishment from its pages...HE LIVED BY THE REVELATIONS OF THE OLD TESTAMENT!...in the moment of his worst! temptation, his greatest distress, and bitterest agony, the words of the Old Testament were on his lips, and they inspired his heart and mind. Jesus' attitude toward those ancient writings clearly! explains the high esteam he placed upon them by his followers...
Of course He did . . . they told of Him and validated His mission and Sonship . . . the prophesies proved to be valid even centuries after His death . . . even into our modern times. But the OT descriptions of the nature and motivations and desires of God were WRONG . . . and Jesus gave His life, suffered torture and scourging, to prove it unambiguously by His example . . . God is love . . . NOT hate, NOT vengeance, NOT smiting, Not jealousy . . . or ANY of the other negative human emotions born of our psychological weaknesses.
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>>> (NEW TESTAMENT WORDS FROM THE MOUTH OF JESUS!) >>>John 8:39 "Abraham is our father," they answered. "If you were Abraham's children," said Jesus, >>>"then you would do the things Abraham did.<<<
Do you realize nearly three hundred quotations from the Old Testament are scattered throughout the Gospels and Epistles? Do you understand that in many of the passages is the value of Old Testament study specifically encouraged? For example, 2 Timothy 3:15-17, (in words from the OLD! Testament!)...: "The sacred writings which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. Every scripture inspired of God is also profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for instruction which is in righteousness: that the man of God may be complete, furnished completely unto every good work."
Jesus' immediate followers gave us an accurate portrayal of him in the New Testament, the Christian view today of the Old Testament should reflect the view of Jesus and of those who, as a result of their intimate fellowship with him, were in a position to give a correct interpretation of him and his teaching.
The New Testament view of the Old Testament is suggested in Hebrews 1:1, 2...where it states: "God, having of old time spoken unto the fathers in the prophets by divers portions and in divers manners, hath at the end of these days spoken unto us in a Son." ....God spoke; God spoke in the prophets; God spoke in divers portions; God spoke in divers manners; the words imply that the Old Testament dispensation was incomplete; it had to be supplemented and perfected by a revelation in and through a Son...but how dare YOU! suggest that the Old Testament is of no effect any longer!...how dare you!
How dare you suggest that I said any such thing!! I said the OLD COVENANT is of no effect. Read more carefully, Verna. Nothing you have said supports your absurd idea that our ignorant ancestors interpreted God's inspirations without the bias of their human weaknesses. They portrayed our loving God as a heinous psychologically damaged and weak genocidal megalomaniac, period. Anyone with a healthy mind and understanding of our human weaknesses could never worship such a God. Jesus' nature is the TRUE NATURE of God.
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Christians who understand and respect ALL! the WORDS that proceed out of the mouth of God (I being one of them!) believe that God reveals himself to-this-day in divers manners and means. God reveals himself in the events of history...and He has not changed one iota...His commands...His precepts...His laws... His promises...His WORD!
Christians who understand and respect Jesus Christ the WORD of God know the "mind of Christ" and therefore the mind of God. God is not schizophrenic as the ignorant descriptions of our primitive ancestors would portray Him when compared to the unambiguous example of Jesus Christ. You have been taught false doctrine and your beliefs are BIBLEan . . . NOT CHRISTian, Verna.
ALL the scriptures have their place . . . but they must be properly divided. That requires that we start with an understanding of the TRUE NATURE of God as our overall CONTEXT. You are using the wrong nature of God, Verna . . . so the scriptures misguide you.
In Christ's love...and prayerfully in His truth, Mystic
This is the mind of Christ: the mind of humility, of self-surrender, of sacrifice; of obedience; service, of pity, and of prayer.
...and I learned what humility; self-surrender; sacrifice; service; pity; obedience and prayer IS! from the Old Testament.
...and these make up the true nature of God: love; righteousness; holyness...to His children of faith and obedience........just; wrathful; vengeful; anger; an avenger; jealous...and He reserves all these attributes for His enemies, the chidren of disobedience...the children of the devil...the wicked...READ ALL THESE NEW TESTAMENT DESCRIPTIONS OF GOD'S TRUE NATURE!...
Ephesians 4:24 Put on your new nature, created to be like God--truly righteous and holy.
Ephesians 5:6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience.
Romans 12:2 Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is--his good, pleasing and perfect will.
2 Peter 1:4 Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature and escape the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.
Romans 2:5 But because of your stubbornness and unrepentant heart you are storing up wrath for yourself in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God,
Revelation 16:19 The great city was split into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell. Babylon the great was remembered before God, to give her the cup of the wine of His fierce wrath.
Revelation 15:1 Then I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvelous, seven angels who had seven plagues, which are the last, because in them the wrath of God is finished.
John 3:36 "He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him."
Romans 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,
Colossians 3:6 For it is because of these things that the wrath of God will come upon the sons of disobedience,
Revelation 15:7 Then one of the four living creatures gave to the seven angels seven golden bowls full of the wrath of God, who lives forever and ever.
Revelation 14:1 So the angel swung his sickle to the earth and gathered the clusters from the vine of the earth, and threw them into the great wine press of the wrath of God.
Romans 12:19 Never take your own revenge, beloved, but leave room for the wrath of God, for it is written, "VENGEANCE IS MINE, I WILL REPAY," says the Lord.
1 Thessalonians 4:6 "...and that no man transgress and defraud his brother in the matter because the Lord is the avenger in all these things, just as we also told you before and solemnly warned you.
Nahum 1:2 A jealous and avenging God is the LORD; The LORD is avenging and wrathful. The LORD takes vengeance on His adversaries, And He reserves wrath for His enemies.
Oh, and Mystic...
...I guess after this revelation...you may want to regard the New Testament as "of no efffect" too...oh, and by the way...Old Testament means Old Covenant...New Testament means New Covenant...the old written on tablets of stone, the new written upon the hearts of believers...one in the same.
He gathered into the one faith of Abraham those who, from either covenant, are eligible for God's building...connecting the end with the beginning, the first and the last.
"He that is spiritual judgeth all things." ALL The Scriptures are included among the "all things." But notice, Paul does not say that anyone may set himself up as judge, but "he that is spiritual"; that is, the man who is controlled by the Spirit of Christ.
"Let the Bible go forth into Christendom as it is in itself, as a book like other books, without allowing any dogmatic theory to assign it to a reserved position in the ranks of books, let it accomplish of itself entirely through its own character and through that which each man can find in it for himself, and it will accomplish great things." Richard Rothe.
Amen.
In Christ's love...and prayerfully in His truth,
Verna.
This is the mind of Christ: the mind of humility, of self-surrender, of sacrifice; of obedience; service, of pity, and of prayer.
...and I learned what humility; self-surrender; sacrifice; service; pity; obedience and prayer IS! from the Old Testament.
...and these make up the true nature of God: love; righteousness; holyness...to His children of faith and obedience........just; wrathful; vengeful; anger; an avenger; jealous...and He reserves all these attributes for His enemies, the chidren of disobedience...the children of the devil...the wicked...READ ALL THESE NEW TESTAMENT DESCRIPTIONS OF GOD'S TRUE NATURE!...
Ephesians 4:24 Put on your new nature, created to be like God--truly righteous and holy.
Ephesians 5:6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience.
Romans 12:2 Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is--his good, pleasing and perfect will.
2 Peter 1:4 Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature and escape the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.
Romans 2:5 But because of your stubbornness and unrepentant heart you are storing up wrath for yourself in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God,
Revelation 16:19 The great city was split into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell. Babylon the great was remembered before God, to give her the cup of the wine of His fierce wrath.
Revelation 15:1 Then I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvelous, seven angels who had seven plagues, which are the last, because in them the wrath of God is finished.
John 3:36 "He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him."
Romans 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,
Colossians 3:6 For it is because of these things that the wrath of God will come upon the sons of disobedience,
Revelation 15:7 Then one of the four living creatures gave to the seven angels seven golden bowls full of the wrath of God, who lives forever and ever.
Revelation 14:1 So the angel swung his sickle to the earth and gathered the clusters from the vine of the earth, and threw them into the great wine press of the wrath of God.
Romans 12:19 Never take your own revenge, beloved, but leave room for the wrath of God, for it is written, "VENGEANCE IS MINE, I WILL REPAY," says the Lord.
1 Thessalonians 4:6 "...and that no man transgress and defraud his brother in the matter because the Lord is the avenger in all these things, just as we also told you before and solemnly warned you.
Nahum 1:2 A jealous and avenging God is the LORD; The LORD is avenging and wrathful. The LORD takes vengeance on His adversaries, And He reserves wrath for His enemies.
Oh, and Mystic...
...I guess after this revelation...you may want to regard the New Testament as "of no efffect" too...oh, and by the way...Old Testament means Old Covenant...New Testament means New Covenant...the old written on tablets of stone, the new written upon the hearts of believers...one in the same.
He gathered into the one faith of Abraham those who, from either covenant, are eligible for God's building...connecting the end with the beginning, the first and the last.
"He that is spiritual judgeth all things." ALL The Scriptures are included among the "all things." But notice, Paul does not say that anyone may set himself up as judge, but "he that is spiritual"; that is, the man who is controlled by the Spirit of Christ.
"Let the Bible go forth into Christendom as it is in itself, as a book like other books, without allowing any dogmatic theory to assign it to a reserved position in the ranks of books, let it accomplish of itself entirely through its own character and through that which each man can find in it for himself, and it will accomplish great things." Richard Rothe.
Amen.
In Christ's love...and prayerfully in His truth,
Verna.
Poor Verna, Your God of hate is dead.
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