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"O thou of little faith, wherefore didst thou doubt?"
Matthew 15:
Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying,
Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.
But he [Jesus] answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.
But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;
And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.
Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
And He [Jesus] called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand:
Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.
Then came his disciples, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the Pharisees were offended, after they heard this saying?
But he [Jesus] answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up.
Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.
Then answered Peter and said unto him, Declare unto us this parable.
And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding?
Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?
But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.
God Bless!
In Christ's love...and prayerfuly in His truth,
Verna.
Yes, Jesus never lied. He was the first Adam to "make it."
Now it's our turn.
Quoting scripture is no proof of understanding God. God is Spirit, and ALIVE. That means that we must HEAR HIS VOICE, and if we don't, then we know nothing as we should.
The early church did not preach hell, and there is good reason for that. It is because they HEARD the Voice of God, not simply repeating scriptures.
This is where we must all be brought to. -In His time...!
Blessings,
brian
1 Peter 4:11 If anyone speaks, he should do it as one speaking the very wordsof God. If anyone serves, he should do it with the strength God provides, so that in all things God may be praised through Jesus Christ. To him be the glory and the power for ever and ever. Amen
...not a hateful breath in my entire body!...I'm sorry that you take my love of the truth of the gospel of Jesus Christ as being hateful and loathing and prideful and vindictive...
If you believe and teach that God "hates" and "loathes" all sinners(99.9999999% of all humanity according to you), then how can you pretend that you love us? Cant you see the hypocrisy in your own words when you say ... "God hates/loathes all sinners" and then say, "in the love of Christ" ... That's just twisted.
1 Peter 4:11 If anyone speaks, he should do it as one speaking the very wordsof God. If anyone serves, he should do it with the strength God provides, so that in all things God may be praised through Jesus Christ. To him be the glory and the power for ever and ever. Amen
God Bless,
Mercy
The the question is, if Peter was teaching others to observe the law, and was rebuked for it by Paul, which one was "speaking the very words of God"? Peter obviously consented that Paul was correct and repented of teaching that false doctrine ...
...as to the bolded brown...this is where your false gospel begins.
...and as to the rest... o.k. whatever you say. I'll stick with God's Word which Jesus spoke in truth. Thank you.
I wrote ...
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What we(Christian Universalists) do not believe is that one must confess Christ and believe and be born again before they die in order to be saved.
To which you replied ...
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this is where your false gospel begins.
Yet you cannot provide one single scripture as evidence to the contrary. Not one verse in the bible says that if you do not believe and if you are not born again before you die you cannot be saved. You simply assume as much based on nothing but the traditions of the Roman Catholic Church and the protestant denominations which she birthed.
The fact is 4 of the 6 theological schools(all of which were native Koine Greek speaking schools in Asia minor) in the first 5 centuries of the church age taught Universal Salvation and only 1 taught Eternal Torture(The Latin speaking Roman school in Carthage) ...
And the fact is most Christian in the first 5 Centuries believe in Universal Salvation.
Not only did most Christians believed in universal salvation, most of them also believed is salvation by Grace alone and not by works or observance of the law as you teach, including the Apostles. Even the apostle Peter eventually confessed that salvation was by grace in Christ alone and not by works after he was rebuked publicly by the apostle Paul as i have already proven in another thread.
Having a mode of life in their spiritual food is primarily obtained from the killing and consuming of others.
"...take heed to yourself, lest you make a covenant, or mutual agreement with the inhabitants of the land..."
The SPIRIT will rectify the misguided IN DUE TIME.
The the question is, if Peter was teaching others to observe the law, and was rebuked for it by Paul, which one was "speaking the very words of God"? Peter obviously consented that Paul was correct and repented of teaching that false doctrine ...
Peace ...
Yes, Peter made mistakes. Pentecost is a feast of leavened bread, so it is not pure. -But Tabernacles IS COMING!!
So we need to start to TRUST CHRIST who is IN us, and speak as Mercy777 correctly said, imo, and learn to discern wheat from chaff.
Christians today still don't know how to tell the difference!!
As Rob said, God may speak through others, too; but there will come a day, in which EVERY ONE will hear GOD IN THEM, and they will KNOW that He is Truth.
And not just quoting scripture, beating people over the head with doctrines they don't understand, but teaching everyone in LOVE.
10 For to us God revealed them through the Spirit; for the Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God. 11 For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so the thoughts of God no one knows except the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may know the things freely given to us by God, 13 which things we also speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, combining spiritual thoughts with spiritual words. 14 But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.
Here's an example of the Spirit imparting wisdom before Christ's death.
Luke 2:26 - And it had been revealed to him by the Holy Spirit that he would not see death before he had seen the Lord's Christ.
The Holy Spirit is personal.
This verse directly contradicts what many traditional orthodox fundamentalist Christian churches teach today ...
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Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may know the things freely given to us by God
Here we see that one must first receive the spirit of God(be born again of the spirit) before one can even know and believe in the things which are "freely" given to us by God.
But many traditional orthodox fundamentalist Christian churches teach the opposite of the scriptures, that one must first know and accept the things freely given of God before they can receive the spirit of God(i.e. be born again).
Yes and what is our guide in discerning wheat from the chaff? When we pray to God with all of our hearts and souls for his Love to dwell within us - he guides us. This is why Jesus told us to FOCUS on this.... We just have to listen to Jesus, listen, listen, listen, listen - to what he told us to FOCUS on but so many of us dwell on everything else and miss the message!
Ephesians 3:19 (New International Version)
19and to know this love that surpasses knowledge—that you may be filled to the measure of all the fullness of God.
Romans 5:5 (New International Version)
5And hope does not disappoint us, because God has poured out his love into our hearts by the Holy Spirit, whom he has given us.
No, No, No Jesus did not lie to us J ….AND TO KNOW THIS LOVE THAT SURPASSES KNOWLEDGE !!!!
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Yes and what is our guide in discerning wheat from the chaff? When we pray to God with all of our hearts and souls for his Love to dwell within us - he guides us. This is why Jesus told us to FOCUS on this.... We just have to listen to Jesus, listen, listen, listen, listen - to what he told us to FOCUS on but so many of us dwell on everything else and miss the message!
Ephesians 3:19 (New International Version)
19and to know this love that surpasses knowledge—that you may be filled to the measure of all the fullness of God.
Romans 5:5 (New International Version)
5And hope does not disappoint us, because God has poured out his love into our hearts by the Holy Spirit, whom he has given us.
No, No, No Jesus did not lie to us J ….AND TO KNOW THIS LOVE THAT SURPASSES KNOWLEDGE !!!!
Exactly. Too many are focusing on Jesus and they have missed the message. It was never supposed to be about Jesus. It's supposed to be about His message. The message of Love.
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o.k. whatever you say. I'll stick with God's Word which Jesus spoke in truth. Thank you. 
