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Old 11-01-2010, 08:50 AM
 
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No. Once again you are not considering the complete passage. Jesus is not talking about just sacrifices.

Matthew 5:17-18 ‘Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets; I have come not to abolish but to fulfil. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not one letter, not one stroke of a letter, will pass from the law until all is accomplished.” (NRSV)

In sum, nothing will pass from the entire Mosaic law until heaven and earth pass away.
Yes, there are still things which were foretold in OT, and they will also be fulfilled. Jesus fulfilled His part, as a sacrofice, and the other parts such as judgment will be fulfilled in the future. Again, people who are solely on a mission to discredit the Bible are not interested in what Matthew said and meant, or who he was talking to and what Paul said and meant and who he was talking to.
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Old 11-01-2010, 09:20 AM
 
Location: Prattville, Alabama
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No. Once again you are not considering the complete passage. Jesus is not talking about just sacrifices.

Matthew 5:17-18 ‘Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets; I have come not to abolish but to fulfil. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not one letter, not one stroke of a letter, will pass from the law until all is accomplished.” (NRSV)

In sum, nothing will pass from the entire Mosaic law until heaven and earth pass away.
Thank you AW...it's amazing the way some scriptures are just completely IGNORED because they don't fit it with the way some want to practice their brand of RELIGION.
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Old 11-01-2010, 09:25 AM
 
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Yes, there are still things which were foretold in OT, and they will also be fulfilled. Jesus fulfilled His part, as a sacrofice, and the other parts such as judgment will be fulfilled in the future. Again, people who are solely on a mission to discredit the Bible are not interested in what Matthew said and meant, or who he was talking to and what Paul said and meant and who he was talking to.
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Most of us go by the plain meaning of words.

Of course, some people's preconceptions require them to overlook the plain meaning of words.
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Old 11-01-2010, 09:33 AM
 
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Romans 3:28 - "For we hold that a person is justified by faith apart from works prescribed by the law."

or

James 2:24 - "You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone..."

It would seem that Pauline Christianty and the original Christianity differ on this point.
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Old 11-01-2010, 09:49 AM
 
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Romans 3:28 - "For we hold that a person is justified by faith apart from works prescribed by the law."

or

James 2:24 - "You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone..."

It would seem that Pauline Christianty and the original Christianity differ on this point.
BINGO!!!!
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Old 11-01-2010, 01:04 PM
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>>Everything<<????

I'm Catholic so we follow Pauline Christianity. But, of course, we're not permitted to admit it.

I hope that I'm not excommunicated for telling you.
Faux Catholic. What's your opinion on abortion, contraception, euthanasia, the trinity, etc. If you agree completely with the magesterium of the Catholic Church, then your Catholic. If you disagree on one or all points, you are no more Catholic than Nancy Pelosi.

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Old 11-01-2010, 01:09 PM
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Romans 3:28 - "For we hold that a person is justified by faith apart from works prescribed by the law."

or

James 2:24 - "You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone..."

It would seem that Pauline Christianty and the original Christianity differ on this point.
Works described in the two passages are talking about two different things. Works described by the law are talking about circumcision, food laws, etc. Works in James involves good deeds and has nothing to do with Mosiac law.
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Old 11-01-2010, 01:52 PM
 
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Works described in the two passages are talking about two different things. Works described by the law are talking about circumcision, food laws, etc. Works in James involves good deeds and has nothing to do with Mosiac law.
Exactly, it is even mentioned earlier in James 2: 8 If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, "YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF," you are doing well.

James does not say that you MUST obey the Mosaic laws or be damned to hell, he is simply saying if you are truly saved as you say, you will show fruit (not obey every law) which is love. Plus it does not say you are perfect or complete, just “doing well”.
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Old 11-01-2010, 03:24 PM
 
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Faux Catholic. What's your opinion on abortion, contraception, euthanasia, the trinity, etc. If you agree completely with the magesterium of the Catholic Church, then your Catholic. If you disagree on one or all points, you are no more Catholic than Nancy Pelosi.
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Yes. If you disagree with the slightest thing the Church claims as true, you are not Catholic, you are a heretic, and, of course, go straight to hell unless you repent and agree with everything the Church tells you.

There have been some famous cases of this.

"We say, pronounce, sentence, and declare that you, the said Galileo, by reason of the matters adduced in trial, and by you confessed as above, have rendered yourself in the judgment of this Holy Office vehemently suspected of heresy, namely, of having believed and held the doctrine—which is false and contrary to the sacred and divine Scripturesthat the Sun is the center of the world and does not move from east to west and that the Earth moves and is not the center of the world; and that an opinion may be held and defended as probably after it has been declared and defined to be contrary to the Holy Scripture....."
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Old 11-01-2010, 03:29 PM
 
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Works described in the two passages are talking about two different things. Works described by the law are talking about circumcision, food laws, etc. Works in James involves good deeds and has nothing to do with Mosiac law.
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Good deeds have nothing to do with Mosaic Law? You can't be serious.

The Mosaic Law contain very much more than the requirements for circumcision (for Jews only) and dietary laws. And I'm afraid that James insisted on keeping the Mosaic Law, just like Jesus had said.
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