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Old 12-28-2010, 12:25 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Yes, not until they are given a new heart, that is correct.
Well, it doesn't say about a heart exchange. It says they were left outside, and the master says "I do not know you - depart from me". Who is going to give them a new heart since the master is the only person capable of giving new hearts, and he is inside and he is telling the people outside to depart.
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Old 12-28-2010, 12:42 PM
 
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Well, it doesn't say about a heart exchange. It says they were left outside, and the master says "I do not know you - depart from me". Who is going to give them a new heart since the master is the only person capable of giving new hearts, and he is inside and he is telling the people outside to depart.

The concept here has nothing to do with a percieved building, inside and outside of physical walls it simply has to do with being prepared, when you are not yet prepared you can try to pretend that you are worthy. We see it all the time, people claiming to be sinless and believing that they follow all of Gods commandments to the letter. The passage is simply given an implied meaning that once you hear that all hope is lost. But that's all that meaning is, implied based upon a doctrinal position as opposed to the words contained in the passage.

God is physically everywhere, there is no inside and outside, it is a matter of coming to the realization the truth and sometimes, being told to depart can be the awakening for change as it is realized that how you believed before was wrong.

Despite what most Christians are taught, you Finn could hear those words yourself, saying you won't does not change the fact that it is possible.

The good news is that no matter who hears them. there is always hope, because Gods love never fails to prepare our way.
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Old 12-28-2010, 12:49 PM
 
Location: New England
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Right, they were "workers of iniquity", and not saved. They were "Christian in name only", and there has always been such people.
I would say they were bible believers too"Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?", and there will always be such people too.

I believe when someone says "i believe the bible", or "the bible says so", God is not impressed one single bit. He's heard it all before.
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Old 12-28-2010, 12:54 PM
 
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Well, it doesn't say about a heart exchange. It says they were left outside, and the master says "I do not know you - depart from me". Who is going to give them a new heart since the master is the only person capable of giving new hearts, and he is inside and he is telling the people outside to depart.
But He will.
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Old 12-28-2010, 01:40 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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I am telling you the truth. The whole truth, that is.
Sorry, this is coming from your mind... what it has learned, which is not of the soul. To help awaken your soul, here is a beautiful song that I hope you will listen to.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDaX0uPM7NU
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Old 12-28-2010, 01:40 PM
 
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I believe when someone says "i believe the bible", or "the bible says so", God is not impressed one single bit. He's heard it all before.
Don't quote the Bible. That is the easiest way for you to avoid looking like them.
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Old 12-28-2010, 01:47 PM
 
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Why the command . . ."Love God with all your heart . . ."?

This is like asking why the law of gravity. LOVE is the "vibe" of God's consciousness and if our consciousnesses are to ever join His they must achieve some harmonic resonance of His "vibe" of love. Like the physical law of gravity . . . violate it and there are physical consequences. Fail to love and there are spiritual consequences. NONE of them involve punishment of any kind whatsoever . . . just stupidity or failure.
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Old 12-28-2010, 01:50 PM
 
Location: New England
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Don't quote the Bible. That is the easiest way for you to avoid looking like them.
God is not impressed by bible talk . He loves this......

But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked.Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful. Luke 6 .

This isn't bible talk it's.... " but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son"

Let the bolded sink in .

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Old 12-28-2010, 02:09 PM
 
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Well, it doesn't say about a heart exchange. It says they were left outside, and the master says "I do not know you - depart from me". Who is going to give them a new heart since the master is the only person capable of giving new hearts, and he is inside and he is telling the people outside to depart.
This is what God's Divine Love does... it gives to us a new heart and a new birth, which makes us immortal... and where we will love everyone as our Father does... unconditionally. But again, it's something we must ask for and long for with our heart and soul to receive. And our Father waits patiently for us to knock at the door, so His Love will come flowing into our souls.

What did Jesus say? “Strait is the gate and narrow is the way which leads to life eternal, and few there be who enter therein.”

The Real Truth of Life on Earth and what it Means to Mortals (http://tinyurl.com/nckm2x - broken link)
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Old 12-28-2010, 02:50 PM
 
Location: Gaston, North Carolina
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Hell is not meant for men but many will go there, look at the parable of the Rich man and Lazerus, is Jesus a liar or is there a hell? There is a hell made for the rebellious angels and why would you or anyone want to go because of ignorance or rebellion?

Ilene please explain the parable of the Rich man and Lazerus. As you know I do not believe in ET but ES.
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