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Old 03-23-2011, 03:20 PM
 
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In pride we fall for The Lie
There is no God.
OK There is a God but He lets most people suffer for ever.
God can't save all men.
God needs us to do something.
Man's alleged "free will" is impenetrable - it can even thwart God's desire.
If only we would make a wise choice God would be able to save us.
God's only option is to let people burn forever if we don't make the wise choice.

In humility we discover the truth
God will save all men and bring them to a full knowledge of the truth.
This will happen according to God's timetable, not man's.
This is probably the important bit: God doesn't intend for everyone to realize this right now.
He does this so we will all learn and experience the true meaning of humility.
He also does this so we eventually can learn and experience what LOVE is.
He is doing all this for our benefit and growth. God needs nothing from us.

There's the basics of our situation - the basics of our existence.
To take a cue from Jack Nicholson:

Can you handle the truth?
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Old 03-23-2011, 03:53 PM
 
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Don`t believe it is pride to believe the Word of God , through the Word of Jesus Christ who the Lord God gave these Words to Jesus to believe and to say ...... Using Pride to manipulate people to believe the strong arm ideas do not work here, Jesus said In Luke 13 : 2-5..... Suppose you that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans , because they suffered such things? I tell you ,NAY BUT EXCEPT YOU REPENT YOU WILL ALL LIKEWISE PERISH....Or those eighteen on who the tower in Siloam fell and slew them, think you that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem? I tell you, NAY , BUT EXCEPT YOU REPENT YOU WILL ALL LIKEWISE PERISH.............``.Jesus was not proud to say these Words of wisdom that the Father God told him to say For God is not of the proud spirit......
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Old 03-23-2011, 06:24 PM
 
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You say "God will save all men" but what about women and children?
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Old 03-23-2011, 06:34 PM
 
Location: SC Foothills
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In pride we fall for The Lie
There is no God.
OK There is a God but He lets most people suffer for ever.
God can't save all men.
God needs us to do something.
Man's alleged "free will" is impenetrable - it can even thwart God's desire.
If only we would make a wise choice God would be able to save us.
God's only option is to let people burn forever if we don't make the wise choice.

In humility we discover the truth
God will save all men and bring them to a full knowledge of the truth.
This will happen according to God's timetable, not man's.
This is probably the important bit: God doesn't intend for everyone to realize this right now.
He does this so we will all learn and experience the true meaning of humility.
He also does this so we eventually can learn and experience what LOVE is.
He is doing all this for our benefit and growth. God needs nothing from us.

There's the basics of our situation - the basics of our existence.
To take a cue from Jack Nicholson:

Can you handle the truth?
Yes, I can handle that truth!!! Amen!
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Old 03-23-2011, 07:46 PM
 
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Originally Posted by legoman View Post
In pride we fall for The Lie
There is no God.
OK There is a God but He lets most people suffer for ever.
God can't save all men.
God needs us to do something.
Man's alleged "free will" is impenetrable - it can even thwart God's desire.
If only we would make a wise choice God would be able to save us.
God's only option is to let people burn forever if we don't make the wise choice.

In humility we discover the truth
God will save all men and bring them to a full knowledge of the truth.
This will happen according to God's timetable, not man's.
This is probably the important bit: God doesn't intend for everyone to realize this right now.
He does this so we will all learn and experience the true meaning of humility.
He also does this so we eventually can learn and experience what LOVE is.
He is doing all this for our benefit and growth. God needs nothing from us.

There's the basics of our situation - the basics of our existence.
To take a cue from Jack Nicholson:

Can you handle the truth?
Great post legoman.
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Old 03-23-2011, 07:47 PM
 
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Don`t believe it is pride to believe the Word of God , through the Word of Jesus Christ who the Lord God gave these Words to Jesus to believe and to say ...... Using Pride to manipulate people to believe the strong arm ideas do not work here, Jesus said In Luke 13 : 2-5..... Suppose you that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans , because they suffered such things? I tell you ,NAY BUT EXCEPT YOU REPENT YOU WILL ALL LIKEWISE PERISH....Or those eighteen on who the tower in Siloam fell and slew them, think you that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem? I tell you, NAY , BUT EXCEPT YOU REPENT YOU WILL ALL LIKEWISE PERISH.............``.Jesus was not proud to say these Words of wisdom that the Father God told him to say For God is not of the proud spirit......
But Repentance is a gift from God, don't you agree? How can one repent unless God gives them repentance?
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Old 03-23-2011, 08:24 PM
 
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But Repentance is a gift from God, don't you agree? How can one repent unless God gives them repentance?
no, i dont. are you writing your own bible?
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Old 03-23-2011, 08:34 PM
 
Location: New England
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no, i dont. are you writing your own bible?

God exalted him to his own right hand as Prince and Savior that he might GIVE repentance and forgiveness of sins to Israel. Acts 5:31
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Old 03-23-2011, 08:37 PM
 
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no, i dont. are you writing your own bible?
So then your saying repentance is earned?
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Old 03-23-2011, 08:42 PM
 
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God exalted him to his own right hand as Prince and Savior that he might GIVE repentance and forgiveness of sins to Israel. Acts 5:31
To who? Unless you are Israel, which would be a pretty bold statement, that verse is talking about Jesus, who 'might' give them(Israel) a reason to repent, which is what John the Baptist and Jesus Himself preached,,,for the forgiveness of sins.

IOW, without repentance, there IS NO FORGIVENESS OF SINS.

How would one go about repenting? By Faith, which is a GIFT of God.
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