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No, I did not imply anything in post #12. In that post I said it is good to go to church, and then I listed the Biblical reasons why it is a good idea:
So, it is a good idea to attend, but you seem to think that if you attend, then it should somehow mean that these people do not do anything else to serve the Lord, and I think you are mistaken about that. A lot of church goers serve among the unbelievers, the poor, the sick, the imprisoned etc.
I'm sorry, but the way you wrote it, a lot of people thought you were being snobby and saying those that didn't agree with you weren't "God's people." Organizing does acomplish a lot of good things, I'll give you that. Of course, the article wasn't talking about those christians that serve outside their churches, it was focused on those that had their own made-up lingo and less "historical" beliefs.
So, Heartsong, Sparrow ... why do you find it irritating? I'm curious.
I don't like it because to me, it excludes people who don't understand the jargon. (I wasn't born into a religion, really. I didn't attend church growing up, so hearing all this "blood" talk and "slain in the spirit" and on and on.... really did nothing for me wanting to even find out what these people were talking about. To me, it sounded bizarre and like they were talking in code. I'm just being honest. It helped to KEEP me on the outside. I hope I am explaining this ok.)
And for me, I think so much religious stuff is unnecessary. I think the real message is a simple yet powerful one and there is so much fluff and "secret code words" so to speak that just are... unnecessary.
and then in the article, I read the words "name it and claim it" and I had to stop reading. That was what was "nails on a chalkboard" to me. It makes me think of prosperity preachers and the like.
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Not sure if Sparrow finds the over-used Christian phraseology irritating. I do because I've been in enough church circles to know that it's just a lingo that people pick up when they are around certain people. For example, if you turn on certain Christian TV Networks (which I've not done in years), you might hear a man scream J-E-Z-U-S! Then he might slap somone upside the head and say "Be healed in the na-MA! Ove J-E-Z-U-S! Then he might start babbling a funny sounding phrase over and over that makes no sense whatsoever. It's like a show.
That's just one example. Perhaps if you entered a very orthodox church, perhaps Catholic or Episcopalian, you might see someone standing in a very ornate, golden looking raised platform using very formal sounding prayers, maybe using King James type language, or even Latin. It just sounds unnatural to the ear. If it's a Methodist church, the congregants read responses on queue that are pre-written. I once went to a Catholic funeral - it was one of the strangest life experiences I've ever had.
In the Baptist church, there was always great pressure to get visitors to "walk the aisle" or "come up to the altar", etc... There is almost a sense of being under attack in many religious settings. Maybe it's just me. Maybe I'm allergic to church
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I don't like it because to me, it excludes people who don't understand the jargon. (I wasn't born into a religion, really. I didn't attend church growing up, so hearing all this "blood" talk and "slain in the spirit" and on and on.... really did nothing for me wanting to even find out what these people were talking about. To me, it sounded bizarre and like they were talking in code. I'm just being honest. It helped to KEEP me on the outside. I hope I am explaining this ok.)
And for me, I think so much religious stuff is unnecessary. I think the real message is a simple yet powerful one and there is so much fluff and "secret code words" so to speak that just are... unnecessary.
and then in the article, I read the words "name it and claim it" and I had to stop reading. That was what was "nails on a chalkboard" to me. It makes me think of prosperity preachers and the like.
Okay, thanks guys. Personally, I come from a very convservative, liturgical, and doctrine-oriented denomination, so when I think of Church jargon, I think more of that kind of language (eg. propitiation, sanctification, original sin, etc.) than some of the slang terms. But I do agree, sparrow ... they still come off like secret code words and are exclusionary. Even words like "saved" ... what does that word even mean to someone who isn't a Christian? It even means different things among Christians themselves, so I'm sure it would be confusing to someone not familiar with Christianity.
I'm sorry, but the way you wrote it, a lot of people thought you were being snobby and saying those that didn't agree with you weren't "God's people."
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I don't think so. I think that you are once again pretending to know what "a lot of people" think.
Actually that is a very accurate statement of your view of those who do not agree with you and still claim to be Christian. You are convinced that you are a true Christian and those in disagreement (especially UR) are not. It is undeniably snobby and exclusive.
Oh, I have to read the book mentioned in that article. I can't stand it when people speak that way. The church I attend doesn't tend to use these rhetorical catchphrases, either.
Oh, I have to read the book mentioned in that article. I can't stand it when people speak that way. The church I attend doesn't tend to use these rhetorical catchphrases, either.
I have never heard most of that lingo, so I don't think it can be very common.
I have never heard most of that lingo, so I don't think it can be very common.
I've heard a few people I worked with speak it, and I have an old friend who became "born-again" some years ago and peppers her speech with the jargon.
I was thinking about it, and it isn't just the Christian-speak that annoys me, it's any group that adopts a trendy little lingo. AA people have their own set of catchphrases and buzzwords, for example, and so do businesspeople--I can't tell you how many phrases I've sat in meetings and listened to over the years and watched as certain people adopt certain phrases and then use them over and over again and then it spreads to others.
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