For those who attend a Catholic Church, did you notice something different during todays mass? (Gospel, presbyterian)
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I knew something was different. One key difference I noticed was the pastor use to say "we" and it turned into "I." Which I think is a good idea in terms of confirmation. If someone says "I believe" it's like you are putting your signature on what the pastor is saying, its more personal and direct.
I knew something was different. One key difference I noticed was the pastor use to say "we" and it turned into "I." Which I think is a good idea in terms of confirmation. If someone says "I believe" it's like you are putting your signature on what the pastor is saying, its more personal and direct.
For some this may be just a matter of semantics. For others the changes may be profound.
If for no other reason, the changes may be good, in that they spur discussion.
Regarding the "I vs. We" change;
I think of "The Lord's Prayer". Nowhere does it refer to "I" or "Me". Rather, it is a communal prayer. And I believe the Church is also communal.
So...I prefer "we".
The point of the change from "we" to "I" is mainly because how could you possibly profess a creed or anything else for SOMEONE ELSE. You can only profess it for yourself. So that's a good change.
The whole church messed up the "And with your spirit" just prior to the Gospel reading. Everyone got it right at the beginning, but the second time the folks returned to what they know and said, "and also with you." So my priest just said the same thing and we got it right the second time. He said later in the sermon that all three masses got that one wrong. Folks laughed. It's going to take a while to get used to the changes. We won't even do the new Gloria until after the Advent season is over.
Some of the changes were easy, but some things were downright odd. Even our priest struggled with the changes a bit.
The point of the change from "we" to "I" is mainly because how could you possibly profess a creed or anything else for SOMEONE ELSE. You can only profess it for yourself. So that's a good change.
The whole church messed up the "And with your spirit" just prior to the Gospel reading. Everyone got it right at the beginning, but the second time the folks returned to what they know and said, "and also with you." So my priest just said the same thing and we got it right the second time. He said later in the sermon that all three masses got that one wrong. Folks laughed. It's going to take a while to get used to the changes. We won't even do the new Gloria until after the Advent season is over.
Some of the changes were easy, but some things were downright odd. Even our priest struggled with the changes a bit.
Peace!
I heard about the changes. I'm just wondering why such attention to detail? Why can't there be any variation whatsoever?
I heard about the changes. I'm just wondering why such attention to detail? Why can't there be any variation whatsoever?
I used to be Catholic and I think it has a lot to do with the power of the Vatican. They control everything down to each individual church.
Now I'm Presbyterian and while the Presbyterian Church does have liturgical guidelines, I'm pretty sure individual churches are free to make minor changes to the liturgy. Some prayers (that everyone recites together) like the Prayer of Confession are different every week and I assume the pastor(s) chooses these prayers, so they're different at each church. Others, like the Lord's Prayer, would be the same at every church.
I went to Mass for the first time in 15 months this Sunday. Luckily I had seen an article on the Mass changes last week so I wasn't totally shocked when I got there. Plus they handed out these little cards as you walked in the door and the Priest made it a point to help us along with changes so it wasn't too difficult.
I heard about the changes. I'm just wondering why such attention to detail? Why can't there be any variation whatsoever?
Very simple answer to that. We are the one, holy, catholic (universal) and Apostolic Church Jesus created. Therefore, we have same readings and essentially the same liturgy worldwide. It's like when you go to McDonalds, you want the Big Mac to taste the same in Finland as it does in America. We act as one body as we have one earthly head. Ultimately our orders come from God, but we still have to have a leader down here when there are over a billion of you and you want to act as one.
But please know that there are actually differences in the masses from church to church and from country to country. But it's minor and usually in style only. An example is that one church has a choir and an organ and another might have a piano and a guitar. The songs can be old school choir/organ in Latin or old American hymns or even Christian contemporary. In Africa the masses are much longer and have percussion instruments.
This change to the liturgy, as I understand it, is only to English speaking masses because the Church is trying to return to the original Latin translation. Vatican II's translation were a bit "feel good" and so we are try to return to our roots and make the English translation closer to the rest of the Catholic world's translation of the original Latin liturgy. The parts of the liturgy remain the same, just a few words are changing here and there to better capture the original intent and spirit.
Last edited by GoodToBeHome; 11-28-2011 at 10:32 PM..
There was plenty of notice given...you would have to be living under a rock not to have heard about the changes let alone not attending Mass. It's the least of my concerns regarding the Catholic Church!
I wonder if another change will be made in the prayer "Happy are those who are called to this Supper" to what it was previously "Blessed are those who are called to this Supper." The word happy brings up in my mind people who are skipping and laughing as they walk up to receive Holy Communion. Personally I find the word happy not a very good translation. Is there anyone else who find this an odd choice of word?
Just yesterday I discussed this with a lady who goes to Mass in Spanish and she told me that in the Spanish Mass the word is still blessed.
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