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Here is an awesome clip from the show "ER" episode entitled, "atonement" showing how fundalmentalist Christianity trounces postmodernism/ universalism "christianity" Enjoy!!
There's holes galore in this way of thinking. Read Isaiah 45, and tell me He doesn't get what He wants, when He wants.
"...a real God and a real hell."
This is the image we equate God with. "What comes into our minds when we think about God is the most important thing about us."
- A.W. Tozer's The Knowledge of the Holy
There's holes galore in this way of thinking. Read Isaiah 45, and tell me He doesn't get what He wants, when He wants.
"...a real God and a real hell."
This is the image we equate God with. "What comes into our minds when we think about God is the most important thing about us."
- A.W. Tozer's The Knowledge of the Holy
He's not a Christian in this episode. He is looking for answers
[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]Gernal criticism about postmodernist[FONT=맑은 고딕]. [/FONT]Postmodernist claims there is no[FONT=맑은 고딕] absolute truth for man is the measure of all thing. In other words, each man has different own measure and truth and there is no measurement apart from each person’s measuring. Because of all rejection of the all views of truth, there are general criticism on postmodernism. First, metanarratives are not oppressive by virtue of being comprehensive truth clams. It means, everyone has a different worldview or a take on how the world is and how it works. Sometimes, it could be very oppressive and unliberating like terrorists of Islam or Marxist. However, the Christian worldview, while frequently distorted, is not intrinsically oppressive given its ethic of love, mercy, and justice. [/FONT][/FONT][/SIZE]
[FONT=Times New Roman] Second, postmodernist pronouncements on rejecting objective truth tend to contradict themselves in that they claim to be applicable to reality itself, not merely to their own language game or constructed map. Therefore it leads self-refuting and mistake. Finally, right-thinking people judge certain acts-such as racism, female gential mutilation, rape, child abuse, the murderous terrorist attacks on America on September 11,2011-as objectively evil, as atrocities, and not as merely relative social constructions. [/FONT]
Just to share, Christian Univeralism is not post modernism universalism. Many believe that they are the same. The belief that God will eventually restore all to Himself through Jesus Christ has existed since the early days of the church and it should not be confused with Unitarianism.
Regarding the TV show: Trying to find a Christian message on a secular TV show today is an oxy-moron.
The phrase "Christian Universalism" is also an oxy-moron. To be Christian, the scriptures are to be believed and upheld. You can't claim Christianity and reject any of the scriptures. Universalism and Unitarians believe that all will be saved. That belief alone disqualifies them as Christian.
Jesus’ own words confirm that the time spent in heaven for the redeemed will last as long as that of the unredeemed in hell. Matthew 25:46 says, “Then they [the unsaved] will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.” According to this verse, the punishment of the unsaved is just as eternal as the life of the righteous. Some believe that those in hell will eventually cease to exist, but the Lord Himself confirms that it will last forever. Matthew 25:41 and Mark 9:44 describe hell as “eternal fire” and “unquenchable fire.” Eternal means eternal, whether it's in heaven or hell.
The phrase "Christian Universalism" is also an oxy-moron. To be Christian, the scriptures are to be believed and upheld. You can't claim Christianity and reject any of the scriptures. Universalism and Unitarians believe that all will be saved. That belief alone disqualifies them as Christian.
Jesus’ own words confirm that the time spent in heaven for the redeemed will last as long as that of the unredeemed in hell. Matthew 25:46 says, “Then they [the unsaved] will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.” According to this verse, the punishment of the unsaved is just as eternal as the life of the righteous. Some believe that those in hell will eventually cease to exist, but the Lord Himself confirms that it will last forever. Matthew 25:41 and Mark 9:44 describe hell as “eternal fire” and “unquenchable fire.” Eternal means eternal, whether it's in heaven or hell.
As a believer in Jesus Christ and as a believer who believes in the eventual restoration of all to God, I believe in all of the scriptures. I believe that Jesus died for my sins and have a relationship with God through Jesus Christ.
1 Corin. 15
. Now I make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received, in which also you stand,2. by which also you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain.3. For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures,4. and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures,5. and that He appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve."
The word for "eternal" in the scriptures that you shared, is aionios which mean "of or relating to an age." Death and destruction are not eternal if Jesus is to abolish all rule, power, and authority and subject all to Himself. Death itself will be abolished (1 Corin 15) and one day the creation will be delivered (Romans 8) Very many believers (Christians) have believed down through time and still believe that God will eventually restore all to Himself through Jesus Christ. All belong to Jesus Christ, who died for all. Whether one believes in eternal hell or eternal damnation, does not make him or her a believer (Christian). God bless.
Romans 8: 18 For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory that is to be revealed to us. 19 For the anxious longing of the creation waits eagerly for the revealing of the sons of God. 20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it, in* hope 21 that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groans and suffers the pains of childbirth together until now.
*hope-elpis-expectation
Last edited by ShanaBrown; 12-11-2011 at 08:39 AM..
Reason: typing error
Correction:
Whether or not one believes in eternal hell or eternal damnation, does not make him or her a believer (Christian) or a nonbeliever. God bless.
Jesus’ own words confirm that the time spent in heaven for the redeemed will last as long as that of the unredeemed in hell. Matthew 25:46 says, “Then they [the unsaved] will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.” According to this verse, the punishment of the unsaved is just as eternal as the life of the righteous. Some believe that those in hell will eventually cease to exist, but the Lord Himself confirms that it will last forever. Matthew 25:41 and Mark 9:44 describe hell as “eternal fire” and “unquenchable fire.” Eternal means eternal, whether it's in heaven or hell.
Dear plain and simple, Matthew 25:31-46 is not about heaven and hell nor it is about eternity in heaven or eternity in hell.
It is about those NATIONS who mistreated Christ's brethren. If you really really believe Christ is going to send people to eternal fire for just withholding a cup of water from one of His brethren, then He is the most pathetic being in the universe and is unjust. Do you really really believe a nation can go to heaven because and only because that nation gave a cup of water to one of Jesus' brethren? If that's the case, who needs Jesus' death for their sins?
Yes, the chastening of the nations does last as long as the blessings of the good nations who treated His brethren well during their great tribulation. But it is far from eternal. It is only for 1000 years. Those nations will enter into the same fire Israel went into when held by Egypt for 400+ years before Moses let them out of that furnace. Was it a literal fire or a literal furnace?
Correction:
Whether or not one believes in eternal hell or eternal damnation, does not make him or her a believer (Christian) or a nonbeliever. God bless.
No, Shana, you're right. It's not a specific requirement for becoming a Christian. But believing God at His Word is. It's not to be picked apart like a buffet, choosing what we like and discarding the rest.
The words of Jesus Himself declare an eternal hell for those who don't repent and turn to Him. For the life of me, I can't understand how anyone can ignore the many, many scriptures that talk about hell, the eternality of it and the fact that a great many people will end up there.
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