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Old 09-30-2007, 06:39 PM
 
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What point is Jesus making here about divorce?

What message does He have for us today on this painful topic? Mattew 19:1-10
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Old 09-30-2007, 07:41 PM
 
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What point is Jesus making here about divorce?

What message does He have for us today on this painful topic? Mattew 19:1-10
IMHO Jesus is saying that God really didn't intend for us to divorce, but to stay together for life. Of course, he gave exceptions such as adultry, etc.

I don't believe it's in Scripture, BUT I don't believe that Jesus wants EVERYONE to stay married. He's a loving God and I can't believe he'd want any of his children to stay in an abusive relationship or to stay married to a murderer or thief, etc. I don't have Scripture memorized like many of you here, but there is a verse in the Bible that warns us against being "unevenly yoked."
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Old 09-30-2007, 07:57 PM
 
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He's saying that marriage is forever. And if you get a divorce, you can't remarry.

But he also points out that he means "those that GOD hath joined together."

We would have a difficult time claiming that all the marriages TODAY are done with God's blessing. If all sorts of sins can be forgiven, why not a mistake in the choice of mate?

Should a woman stay with an abusive husband? Should a woman stay married to a man that abuses his young daughter? or fools around with other women? Or spends his free time looking at porn on the Internet? Or spends his paycheck on booze or gambling? Is God happy about those marriages? Should the innocent spouse never to know what marriage to a decent person is like?

Women in today's society have a much different position than they did then. In those days, a woman was considered the property of her husband. If he divorced her, she usually would have no means of taking care of herself. Since she was no longer a virgin, she would have little value.

I think Jesus meant that if a man marries, he is responsible for taking care of that woman forever. And she, in turn, has the responsibility to take care of his needs forever. He can't shirk his responsibility, and neither should she.
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Old 09-30-2007, 09:45 PM
 
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Padgett, I like your explanation. I totally agree that a lot of marriages weren't exactly arranged by God and were probably never meant to be. As for the value of women, somewhere in the area of the time of Jesus, women had such little value that they were buried alive WITH their deceased husbands. They were considered to be worthless and society didn't want the burden of caring for them. Absolutely horrible!!!!

Yes, I also believe that God can easily forgive someone for a poor choice or a hasty decision in chosing the wrong spouse. He wishes us happiness and not a life of abuse.
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Old 09-30-2007, 09:50 PM
 
Location: southern california
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What point is Jesus making here about divorce?

What message does He have for us today on this painful topic? Mattew 19:1-10
yep. he is talking about a sense of focus and principle. we as a people are very confused. our alliances change a bunch. this confuses kids big time.
stephen s
san diego ca
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Old 09-30-2007, 09:54 PM
 
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What point is Jesus making here about divorce?

What message does He have for us today on this painful topic? Mattew 19:1-10
people have trouble making a committment and sticking to it. it "makes them unhappy" so they want out. so they get out. but ask them 5 years later are they happy, the answer is no. if we could stick to our committments we would love and respect ourselves more. forget bout the other people involved, we would respect and love ourselves more.
this is not happening. the more we try to seek self happiness the less we love ourselves and the less we happify our surroundings.
self love is not working too well is it?
stephen s
san deigo ca
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Old 09-30-2007, 11:04 PM
 
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I was married in the church (Catholic). Not long affter marrying my husband became very abusive (physically and verbally). After a year of marriage I became born-again and turned my life over to the Lord. I frmly believed that I should stay with this man. I prayed,and I stayed. I raised 2 wonderful children in a very abusive, loveless marriage. Pastors advised me to stay and PRAY. I was obedient to what I thought was God's will according to my interpretation of the Bible. So for 18 miserable years I endured, then I had enough. Getting divorced was the BEST thing I ever did, staying in that marriage was by far the STUPIDEST. Of course God forgave me. I would NEVER counsel anyone to remain in an abusive marriage, that is BONDAGE!! And it is not in line with the perfect will of God for anyone's life. I will say this..I do not think I will ever remarry. Because I do believe that the Bible says we should remain single if we divorce.
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