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Old 11-23-2012, 01:44 AM
 
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Of the few times homosexuality is mentioned in the bible,does this mean it falls under fornication?
Masturbation,fantasies,oral sex,porn, all fall under the unbrella term "fornication"?

Also,does this mean homosexuality,stealing,lying, all are sin,and one isn't a greater sin than the other?

For instance, a straight man who has sex with his miistress is no different than a guy who has sex with men in God's eyes?
They both are sinners and no sin is worse than the other?

I have to admit,I thought sin had levels.
I always thought murder was the worst sin someone could commit,followed by lying,and that the least serious sin was gluttony.
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Old 11-23-2012, 04:15 AM
 
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Of the few times homosexuality is mentioned in the bible,does this mean it falls under fornication?
Masturbation,fantasies,oral sex,porn, all fall under the unbrella term "fornication"?

Also,does this mean homosexuality,stealing,lying, all are sin,and one isn't a greater sin than the other?

For instance, a straight man who has sex with his miistress is no different than a guy who has sex with men in God's eyes?
They both are sinners and no sin is worse than the other?

I have to admit,I thought sin had levels.
I always thought murder was the worst sin someone could commit,followed by lying,and that the least serious sin was gluttony.
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We are the ones that have systematized sin, not HaShem...
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Old 11-23-2012, 04:19 AM
 
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Sexual Orientation (Gay, Straight, Bisexual) is based solely on attractions. That is the scientific basis of it. Christianity's view is irrelevant, because sexual orientation was not discovered until 1900 years after Christianity began, and the only people who will claim it's behavior are those who have no clue about what sexual orientation is (i.e. religious extremists).
I am not an extremist, but I know that's a crock...
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Old 11-23-2012, 04:27 AM
 
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If you think about killing someone are you a murderer? If you think about robbing a bank does that make you a thief? While thinking about a sin such as killing or robbing or homosexual act's is wrong in itself I don't think it makes you that sin.
Well, according to Yeshua it does...Since HaShem looks at the heart more than the action...
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Old 11-23-2012, 09:51 AM
 
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Or is it the action itself(having sex with a member of the same sex as yourself) that makes you gay?

I'm trying to find out from a Christian point of view. I treid to post on the Relationship forum but I didn't understand.
I remember reading on a Christian website that its the sex act itself that makes you a homosexual.
I'm confused.
Does that mean virgins can't be gay because they have not had any sex?
I see all these teens who say they are gay but they are virgins.
I see "being gay" as being sexually attracted to someone of the same sex. "Being gay" is not the same thing as engaging in same-sex intimacy. People are heterosexual, homosexual or bisexual before they have ever engaged in the sex act. Being gay is not a sin. Having sex outside of the bonds of marriage (at least according to the Bible) is.
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Old 11-23-2012, 09:59 AM
 
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As far as gay thoughts,if someone is even thinking about having sex with another one,whether male or female,its still a sin in God's eyes?
Some people would call that lust, so they'd say it's a sin. But how would biology and reproduction work if people didn't feel attraction to others? If you aren't thinking of pursuing a relationship/sex with someone, what would cause you do actually do so?
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Old 11-23-2012, 10:01 AM
 
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I am not an extremist, but I know that's a crock...
I disagree.
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Old 11-23-2012, 10:02 AM
 
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I see "being gay" as being sexually attracted to someone of the same sex. "Being gay" is not the same thing as engaging in same-sex intimacy. People are heterosexual, homosexual or bisexual before they have ever engaged in the sex act. Being gay is not a sin. Having sex outside of the bonds of marriage (at least according to the Bible) is.
To be fair, Hebrew and Greek scripture never actually state that. The whole anti-sex, anti-premarital sex view came later, mostly influenced by Saint Augustine.
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Old 11-23-2012, 11:01 AM
 
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Am I sinning if I wear a miniskirt and high heels,because I know some man would lust after me?
Actually, this may sound bit questionable but it may not be a sin depending on the context. Alot of people (and tradition) take Jesus' words in Matthew 5:27-28 without really understanding the cultural context and cultural understanding of the Torah. If you take a look at the wording of this passage, Jesus uses the words "adultery" and "Covet" both of which are very specific sins in the Torah law (which is all they had back then aside from the other parts of the OT and some newer famous Rabbi teachings) and also uses the word "gyne" with means both woman and wife (same word for both) but not "virgin" which used a different word. By age 30, virtually every woman in that culture was married or divorced/widowed because that was their role so Gyne likely includes any woman that has had sexual relations of some kind and has belonged to a man at some point.

Adultery as a sin was always sleeping with another mans wife or Betrothed Fiance and it always brought death as a penality. The penalty for premarital sex (assuming the father was known) required no blood offering and simply to pay the max dowry since the father no longer had bargaining power of a virgin daughter and to marry her if the father allowed it. Coveting would have been viewed from a 10th commandment perspective at the time and if you read the wording of the 10th commandment, it was about not coveting your neighbors property.

When these aspects are taken into account, there appears to be a very good chance that Jesus was referring to not coveting your neighbors "wife" specifically and there are even really old bible translations like Tyndale that translate it that way. This may seem like quite a divergence from tradition, but much of the traditional idea of lust came from Ascetic Church Fathers influenced by Stoicism and it does seem a bit strange that any sexual though toward a normal unmarried woman would be condemned considering that is how we as humans multiply. Of course this line of thinking should be taken with caution because if it is taken to an extreme, it can turn into a very slippery slope of desire and end result of James 1:14-15 will happen.
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Old 11-24-2012, 01:59 AM
 
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I see "being gay" as being sexually attracted to someone of the same sex. "Being gay" is not the same thing as engaging in same-sex intimacy. People are heterosexual, homosexual or bisexual before they have ever engaged in the sex act. Being gay is not a sin. Having sex outside of the bonds of marriage (at least according to the Bible) is.
Being gay isn't a sin,but engaging in same sex relations is?

According to the bible,what does it mean to be a homosexual?
Is a person who engages in homosexual relations regardless of thoughts a homosexual?
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