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The need to conquer, which is affirmed in that proposition, is born of fear, so an equivalent proposition would be "fear conquers fear."
If so, with which point do you disagree?
You're comparing two different concepts, in my opinion.
If you are in a dark room and someone turns on the light, the light doesn't have a "need to conquer" which you are saying is born of fear. This is what I'm talking about when I say that LOVE conquers (overcomes) FEAR. Love is the light. Fear is darkness. The light overcomes the darkness. Love overcomes Fear. Love, in itself HAS no fear.
"Perfect love casts out all fear".
What I *think* you are talking about is the idea that Fear conquers Fear. As in, a person who is afraid of heights, will use their fear to conquer their fear. The fear is the motivation that conquers itself. Is this what you are talking about?
If so, I understand what you're saying and I don't disagree with that. But I don't agree with the idea that Love has the "need to conquer". Love is merely doing what it does... displacing the darkness with light. (or as I said it "conquers" or overcomes the darkness. FEAR is darkness.)
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The first time I read "Sinners in The Hands of an Angry G-d" a great and inconsolable sadness gripped me to the point of suicide...but I knew deep within my heart that this sadness was not my own. I had to separate myself from what seemed to me a fear of the coming wrath of G-d, because I also remembered, even in the midst of this battle raging within my mind, that "our G-d is a consuming fire." Hebrews 12:29 KJV. The devil knows this, and goes about seeking whom he can destroy with him in this bizarre ritualistic suicide by thinking that one can rightly approach unto the mountain of G-d apart from Christ. Yes indeed, G-d is love...in Christ, and no where else. To assume otherwise is tantamount to suicide, which G-d evidently abhors. Follow whom you will, but G-d cannot force the choice upon you...and this is the overall message I gathered from what Jonathan Edwards was preaching. G-d blessing you all...
That is not official church doctrine. Our doctrine is contained in the Bible alone! Just because one man said something one time does not make it official church doctrine!
That is not official church doctrine. Our doctrine is contained in the Bible alone! Just because one man said something one time does not make it official church doctrine!
What is "That?" Who is "our?" Who is that "one man?" Who are you directing your post to?
The need to conquer, which is affirmed in that proposition, is born of fear, so an equivalent proposition would be "fear conquers fear."
If so, with which point do you disagree?
Who is saying theres a need to conquer?. Exposing the portion of the Jonathan Edwards book quoted in the OP for what it is,as nothing to do with fear or conquering anything.
I don't have a position on it; the Bible's a big book with lots of info, and I haven't gotten to the afterlife stuff because I have too many day-to-day issues on which to work.
You know, if you take that book seriously, it's a philosophical wrestling match to understand it. Then, you have to practice it. I have no idea how anyone has time to worry about Heaven or Hell; that's like thinking about going to a party when you have to work 100 hours.
I think you missed my point. I didn't mention the Bible at all, and I agree with the bolded!
The point was that I don't believe God is the equivalent of an unpleasant person who enjoys holding a spider over a flame, etc., which is how God is depicted in the passage posted.
What is "That?" Who is "our?" Who is that "one man?" Who are you directing your post to?
To keep anyone from getting confused I will quote my original post and respond to each question you asked.
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That is not official church doctrine.
That would be the quote the OP gave and asked the question about which started this thread. See post #1.
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Our doctrine is contained in the Bible alone!
Our would be saved members of God's family.
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Just because one man said something one time does not make it official church doctrine!
That "one man" you ask about would be any one man. But in this case it is referring to the man who was quoted by the OP in post #1 which started this thread.
And your final question "who are you directing your post to?" would be to the OP who posted the question in Post #1 which started this thread.
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