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It goes without saying that Jesus Christ is the Word of God as both John 1:1,14 and Revelation 19:13 reveal.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 14] And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.
Revelation 19:13 He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.
What is equally true, but which some deny, is that the Bible is also the word of God. As Jesus reveals the Father, so also the Bible is God's revelation of Himself and His plan to man. The word 'Logos' refers both to Jesus Christ and to written Scripture.
It is interesting to note that in both Romans 9:17 and Galatians 3:8 God and Scripture are so closely identified that they are treated as one and the same. That does not mean that the Bible is God, but only that it is God's word.
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Originally Posted by Pleroo
You say, based on John 1:1, that God = the Word.
You also say Jesus = the Word, therefore Jesus = God.
However, then you say:
God = Word and Word = bible; but bible does not = God.
You further have the problem that you believe:
Word = Jesus, Word = bible, but bible does not = Jesus.
What you have is a confusing mess.
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Originally Posted by Mike555
What I said, and what the Bible says, is that the phrase 'the word of God' is applied both to Jesus and to the Bible. There is nothing confusing about it.
That's a non-answer, Mike.
You said you believe John 1 to be declaring Jesus to be the Word of God, and that the Word of God IS God, therefore Jesus is God.
Further, you believe the bible is the Word of God; then according to your own reasoning and interpretation of John 1:1 ... the bible IS God.
And lastly, both Jesus and the bible, in your opinion, are the Word of God ... which makes them one and the same, if one takes what you've said follows it through to it's conclusion.
That does not mean that the Bible is God, but only that it is God's word.
Hi, I believe that the scriptures in the original languages are God's word and that there have been errors made in the various translations of the scriptures. God bless.
You said you believe John 1 to be declaring Jesus to be the Word of God, and that the Word of God IS God, therefore Jesus is God.
Further, you believe the bible is the Word of God; then according to your own reasoning and interpretation of John 1:1 ... the bible IS God.
And lastly, both Jesus and the bible, in your opinion, are the Word of God ... which makes them one and the same, if one takes what you've said follows it through to it's conclusion.
There is no reasoning with dogma, Pleroo. His entire belief system is built of a series of wrong "precepts and doctrines of men" established to prop up their preferred beliefs. IF the scriptures only contain divine inspiration and not God's Word . . . their entire system crumbles under its own weight. No where is it EVER said that the Bible is God's Word.
We are told to look to the scriptures because they tell us of Christ and establish His validity . . . that's it. They tell us of Him because we need to believe Him to understand the Father and our true purpose in life. The decision to revere and elevate the Bible to the status of God's Word and idolize it . . . institutionalized the ancient ignorance and superstitions of our savage and barbaric ancestors who are responsible for killing Christ.
It is a Catch 22. They have to believe the evil, savage and barbaric things attributed to God by our ignorant ancestors . . . so they have to corrupt Christ's Gospel to pretend it is consistent . . . all while claiming God is the same. But they are not saying God is the same. They are saying our ignorant ancestors' understanding of God is the same as Christ's understanding of God . . . and THAT is NOT TRUE! Christ revealed the TRUE NATURE of God unambiguously by His life, teachings, death and resurrection (rebirth as Spirit). He abides with us as the LIVING Word of God to guide us to the truth God has "written in our hearts." There is only ONE Word of God . . . Jesus Christ.
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Moderator cut: Deleted This thread is not about the geneologies, or about the so called contradictions between Matthew and Luke regarding when He was born, or any other so called contradictions.
The topic of this thread is to show that the Bible makes the claim for itself to be the word of God in refutiation of those who claim to be believers that it is not. This thread is not to intended to convince skeptics who don't believe in God, or who while perhaps believing in God don't believe that Christ is God, of that fact.
It has been shown that Jesus Himself called the Scriptures the word of God. That is the topic.
It's is amazing how many people who claim to be Christians do not even have enough faith to accept His word which has never had any point disproved ever.
Hi, I believe that the scriptures in the original languages are God's word and that there have been errors made in the various translations of the scriptures. God bless.
Nothing that is in the hands of men, was in the hands of men or will be in the hands of men is error free, period . . . no matter what language it is in (original or not).
You also say Jesus = the Word, therefore Jesus = God.
However, then you say:
God = Word and Word = bible; but bible does not = God.
You further have the problem that you believe:
Word = Jesus, Word = bible, but bible does not = Jesus.
What you have is a confusing mess.
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Originally Posted by Mike555
What I said, and what the Bible says, is that the phrase 'the word of God' is applied both to Jesus and to the Bible. There is nothing confusing about it.
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Originally Posted by Pleroo
That's a non-answer, Mike.
You said you believe John 1 to be declaring Jesus to be the Word of God, and that the Word of God IS God, therefore Jesus is God.
Further, you believe the bible is the Word of God; then according to your own reasoning and interpretation of John 1:1 ... the bible IS God.
And lastly, both Jesus and the bible, in your opinion, are the Word of God ... which makes them one and the same, if one takes what you've said follows it through to it's conclusion.
No, it is not a non-answer. As I said, the Bible uses the phrase 'the word of God' both for Jesus and for the Bible.
What I also made clear with the following statement in the original post is that the fact that the Bible is called the word of God does NOT mean that the Bible is God. ''It is interesting to note that in both Romans 9:17 and Galatians 3:8 God and Scripture are so closely identified that they are treated as one and the same. That does not mean that the Bible is God, but only that it is God's word.''
What was also shown in the original post is that Jesus Himself referred to the Mosaic Law as the word of God. The phrase is not used only of Jesus.
For instance, in 1 Thessalonians 2:13 Paul refers to his preached message as the word of God rather than the word of men. For this reason we also constantly thank God that when you received the word of God which you heard from us, you accepted it not as the word of men, but for what it really is, the word of God, which also performs its work in you who believe.
It is not a matter of my opinion. As clearly shown by Paul, his message was the 'the word of God'.
I don't buy it. I don't think the Bible was really written by God. For all I know, the Bible could have been written by some man (like Moses for example) who wanted to become famous and be able to control naive people just like you.
I also don't really like the word 'God' because the word 'God' has its origins in authoritarianism and too much superiority.
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