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Old 02-08-2013, 11:04 AM
 
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Are you Jewish?
Nope. So you're insinuating that the Bible god's commandment don't pertain to Gentiles. So much for the Ten Commandments as well then.
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Old 02-08-2013, 11:53 AM
 
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Nope. So you're insinuating that the Bible god's commandment don't pertain to Gentiles. So much for the Ten Commandments as well then.
That's correct. Jesus fulfilled the Law.
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Old 02-08-2013, 11:53 AM
 
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Jesus and Paul taught from the entire Toarh and the prophets, not just 10 commandments. The commands against sexual relations dont even start until Leviticus. There is much more to the bible than the 10 commandments.

When Jesus said Love God with all you mind soul and strength and to Love one another and all the law and the phropets hang on these 2 commands, he is still pulling from the Torah 2 commands that were not even in the 10 commandments.

You could live by the 10 commandments and still never receive eternal life. If you follow all the commands in the NT, you will pretty much be guaranteed eternal life, but at the same time need to understand the OT in which the commands are being pulled from and expanded and explained in better detail.

Deuteronomy 10:12-13

Leviticus 19:18
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Old 02-08-2013, 12:05 PM
 
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That's correct. Jesus fulfilled the Law.
A learned, mature Christian would understand that "the law" the Jesus character was referencing was the law about the requirement of a blood sacrifice for the atonement for sin.

Matthew 5:18
18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.

Heaven and Earth have NOT passed away, so it would seem that the law is still the same.
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Old 02-08-2013, 12:32 PM
 
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Then, prove it without the doctrines of other men.
I've got the Bible. But I'm guessing your aren't willing to accept it?
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Old 02-08-2013, 12:44 PM
 
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A learned, mature Christian would understand that "the law" the Jesus character was referencing was the law about the requirement of a blood sacrifice for the atonement for sin.

Matthew 5:18
18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.

Heaven and Earth have NOT passed away, so it would seem that the law is still the same.

If he didnt fulfill the entire law, there are ALOT of commands Christians are breaking daily then from Dietary Laws, Feast Days, New Moon festivals and many more commands outside of the sacrificial system.
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Old 02-08-2013, 01:13 PM
 
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A learned, mature Christian would understand that "the law" the Jesus character was referencing was the law about the requirement of a blood sacrifice for the atonement for sin.

Matthew 5:18
18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.

Heaven and Earth have NOT passed away, so it would seem that the law is still the same.
You obviously do not understand the meaning of "fulfilled", in this context.
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Old 02-08-2013, 01:23 PM
 
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Matthew 5:17-19--Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18--For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19--Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
The third, fourth,sixth, seventh, eighth, ninth and tenth commandments can be found in Matthew 5:21-34--The first is Matthew 6:33, 15:4 is the fifth.Does He REALLY need to say the phrase TEN COMMANDMENTS?
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Old 02-08-2013, 01:25 PM
 
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I've got the Bible. But I'm guessing your aren't willing to accept it?
[It] is a book of parables, metaphors or figures of speech and examples that allow for interpretation; not of a private nature:

"Belonging to only one group or that of another, who call themselves Christian."

It's a book, which is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, every individual.

The Church Pastor says: I will give it all to you, if you will kneel down and worship me.
Jesus said, "Away from me, Satan! For it is written: 'Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.'"

An error that appears to justify a particular sect of people, but not the whole of humanity is still an error.

"A misunderstanding of men, adding to, or taking away from the individual thought process."

Just curious, have you ever had an original thought of your own; not predicated on the perceptions of others?
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Old 02-08-2013, 01:45 PM
 
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The Bible wasn't "doctrines of men". It is God-breathed.

Having said that, you are hardly giving me an original thought. Everything you're saying has been said before.
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