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Old 04-06-2013, 06:38 PM
 
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Sure it does, anyone (at least they should) can see I = Comforter
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Old 04-06-2013, 06:47 PM
 
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Isaiah 9:6 "For unto us a "child is born unto us a son is given and His name: Shall be called - Wonderful, Counselor, The Prince of Peace, The Mighty God- The Everlasting Father. "
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Please notice that the ^ above ^ verse does Not call Jesus as 'ALmighty' God but as Mighty God as a title.

How Jesus becomes 'Everlasting Father' is because the word 'father' means life giver, and Jesus was given the 'power of the resurrection', and as 'life giver' Jesus resurrects to 'everlasting life', thus Jesus becomes ' Everlasting Father ' to resurrected ones.
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Old 04-06-2013, 06:51 PM
 
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Sure it does, anyone (at least they should) can see I = Comforter
yet....he calls the Comforter "THE" Comforter. The "I" he refers to is a separate person. In the context of the chapter, he's discussing how he will return. He reiterates it by saying "I will come to you". You can't just rip a verse out of context and assign meaning to it.
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Old 04-06-2013, 06:53 PM
 
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No! simply put NO - WHY? What did Jesus say - Call no man father for ye have ONE FATHER (who is in heaven) Jesus wasn't in Heaven when he said that.
Jesus always gave GLORY to the father. The father says he will not share his glory with any other - yet they each sit on the (same)throne (in two distinct different places).
Same throne? How many thrones are mentioned at Revelation 3 v 21 ?________

'me and my throne' besides 'my Father and His throne' .

Who sits at God's right hand?

Who is the God of the resurrected heavenly Jesus mentioned at Rev. 3 v 12 ?

Doesn't Jesus claim to be the beginning of the creation by God at Rev. 3 v 14 ?
God had No beginning according to Psalm 90 v 2.
Only God was before the beginning.
Jesus was Not before the beginning as God was before the beginning.

Even the resurrected heavenly Jesus decades after being in heaven still considers himself to be the Son of God according to Rev. 2 v 18.
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Old 04-06-2013, 06:56 PM
 
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Sure it does, anyone (at least they should) can see I = Comforter
Sure it does, at Numbers 11 vs 17,25, anyone (at least they should ) can see ' it ' = holy spirit.
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Old 04-06-2013, 07:14 PM
 
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Son of God - Is a title !

Jesus is also the "lamb" of God (that doesn't mean he has four legs).

Jesus Christ has 103 titles - He has 5 names - in Isaiah 9:6

5 is the number of "Grace" Jesus has 5 letters grace & truth each have 5 letters

In the Old testament when building the temple - All stones were "chopped" until they were 5 x 5

In the New Testament we are given 5 Offices for the edification of the saints in Ephesians.

We are the New Temple and God is going to "chip away" at us (sanctification) until we are 5 x 5
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Old 04-06-2013, 07:31 PM
 
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There are also two [ 2 ] LORD/Lord's mentioned at Psalm 110:1

In the KJV Bible LORD in all upper-case letters is where the Tetragrammaton [ YHWH ] appears.
The Tetragrammaton is never applied to the Lord using some lower-case letters.
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Old 04-06-2013, 10:00 PM
 
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I'll play Devil's Advocate for fun ...... the way I used to think of the Father/Son thing was to liken it to my ordinary waking consciousness vs my dreaming self. Both me, but both very different.
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Old 04-06-2013, 10:06 PM
 
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I spoke with God today and He said look eccentric Jesus I thought was in His zone when he said "If you have seen me
you HAVE seen the Father" Ok maybe He should have added ...duh! Oy Vey!
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Old 04-07-2013, 09:09 AM
 
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Correction: ALL Christians believe Jesus is God.

Now....regarding your question....Jesus is the 2nd person of the Trinity. The Trinity is how we describe God. There is one God, 3 persons. All 3 persons are the same God--the same essence. They are not separate beings, or Gods. They are one...but 3 persons. You can pray to any of the 3, but the Son is not the Father, and is not the Spirit.
Any examples from the Bible where ANYONE prayed to Yeshua OR HaRuach HaKodesh?...
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