Can Muslim Women Influence Christian Women? (church, believe, Mary, divorced)
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Can Muslim women influence Christian women, or secular women for that matter, in fashion, but more precisely in wearing scarfs over the head?
I see a lot of young Muslim women from the East as students at UW-Milwaukee (secular university) and they often wear scarfs as head covering. And they look very fashionable to me.
For centuries Catholic women wore scarfs over their heads too.
At any rate... I find these Muslim women in the video below very attractive looking. Especially the first one with the gray scarf over her head. I also note they say they like the conservative family values taught at the Christian university (CUA) they attend.
Here is a short bit of info on CUA. Apparently, a "national" university for the Church of the U.S., which I had no idea there was one.
What is your point? Can they? Sure.....I suppose it's possible. Is it a good thing? I would doubt it.
I posted it by accident before I completed the post.
I'm just curious if others think Muslim women--in growing numbers in the U.S. and Europe--might influence aspects of Western fashion in the coming future. Returning Western fashion to being more "modest."
I don't know about Protestants but traditional Catholic teaching teaches that women (and men to some degree I guess) are supposed to dress modestly. Ergo, the covering the head in mass with mantilla or scarf. Actually, at the turn of the century European Catholic women that came to the U.S. are in black and white photos in the streets with loose dressed falling the length to their ankles and with cotton or wool scarfs over their heads.
Not that I don't like the mini skirts and Brazilian bikinis and tight jeans on women today.
Notice any similarities between the depiction of the Virgin Mary and the fashion of the Muslim women in that video?
The old maxim is that: Today's conservatives are yesterday's liberals.
There is truth in that maxim. As the French intellectual Fernand Braudel pointed out about fashion in its relation to "progressive" societies, "stable societies" have fashions that sometimes have not changed for over a thousand years. Whereas your modern progressive societies constantly have new fashion trends.
Yet... no conservative Catholics today portray the Virgin Mary in the fashion that conservative Catholic women themselves typically wear, such as attire like this:
It has been a personal surprise to me that Muslims have not yet sought to capitalize on modest fashion business experience by expanding into the nonexistent Christian fashion market. That said, I do NOT think the hijab / scarves is what would attract Christian women, rather the longer skirts, long or longer sleeves, higher necklines, less tight fits, etc. Sure Christian women can find that stuff in stores, catalogs & online, but it's much harder than if there were a dedicated catalog to such items. One problem however for any Muslim wanting to pursue such business would be that Christians would be hesitant if any profits were going to advance shariah, so if somehow a business arrangement could be made to avoid that then, yes, I think there's money & a mutually beneficial arrangement to be made. But again, it's not really about the hijab & scarves, though as a fashion accessory maybe.
My hope is that more muslim women will turn their eyes to Christian women and see how they have been oppressed and lied to by their men and religion all this time.
Notice any similarities between the depiction of the Virgin Mary and the fashion of the Muslim women in that video?
The old maxim is that: Today's conservatives are yesterday's liberals.
There is truth in that maxim. As the French intellectual Fernand Braudel pointed out about fashion in its relation to "progressive" societies, "stable societies" have fashions that sometimes have not changed for over a thousand years. Whereas your modern progressive societies constantly have new fashion trends.
Yet... no conservative Catholics today portray the Virgin Mary in the fashion that conservative Catholic women themselves typically wear, such as attire like this:
Well, if you can believe what Jack Chic says, The Roman Catholic Church created Islam...
I would doubt that most Muslim women would find much attractive about western society. My guess is that they are quite well schooled in their traditional values and religion, and most would see western society as quite decadent, and are not interested in copying to the whorish behavior of many western women. My guess is that, while being confining, their society is also close knit and a place of security for them.
Traditional Christianity, with its strict moral codes might be more attractive to them, but their society is not tolerant of people who leave Islam, so that is a huge obstacle to overcome.
My hope is that more muslim women will turn their eyes to Christian women and see how they have been oppressed and lied to by their men and religion all this time.
that would be a great thing. I think one issue that men have in the church today is that they are still kids. most muslims women stick with their husband and are faithful. I am speaking of American muslims. their divorce rate is much lower. the Christian family has been decimated, the men and women in a relationship are having a tough time sticking through tough times. our rate is not much different that the rate of nonchristians. That is a problem that is not being addressed by the church in general.
You guys realize that there are Christian communities in Muslim countries, right? And that the Christian women in those countries do not wear headscarves despite how much easier it would make their lives as far as fitting in? Modest dress in Islam is also completely different from modest dress in Christianity. Can you imagine having to wear a headscarf and long sleeves and pants in 100 degree summer weather? There's a medium between being completely covered up and walking around in a thong, you know. I'd say that most American women walk that line rather admirably, don't you think? Headscarves also used to be the custom in many countries for all women, but that is obviously no longer the case.
And there's a lot of naivete on display here about Muslim women, as if wearing a headscarf means that you are pious, sweet, and submissive, with better marriages. HA! As someone who lived in a muslim country, Muslim women have the same character flaws as everyone else. In an environment where women feel compelled to dress "modestly" you also see women pushing the boundaries as much as they can, with skin-tight clothing, gaudy makeup, jewelry, etc. Divorce is not prohibited in Islam and divorce is widespread in Muslim countries. If muslims in the U.S. get divorced less it is probably due to socioeconomic factors, i.e., that they tend to be well-educated, affluent, and from "better" families. Immigrants probably feel more pressure to stay in their marriages even if they are bad as well.
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