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Old 08-07-2013, 07:28 PM
 
Location: El Paso, TX
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The Word of God is very clear on the subject of eternal security; unfortunately, many believers are ignorant of this very important doctrine and waste much of their time and energy performing a variety of works in an attempt to earn and keep their salvation. God desires that we know and understand the truth of eternal security, which will provide us with the foundation to live the spiritual life and become a winner in the predesigned plan of God. There is only one way to receive salvation and nothing we can do to lose it once we receive it.
Read more >>> Doctrine of Eternal Security - Doctrines for download - Robert McLaughlin Bible Ministries / Grace Bible Church - bible doctrine truth in Christ

If you believe that Jesus Christ died for your sins with the result that you have entrusted your salvation to Him, you have eternal life in your soul at this very moment and nothing you can do can undo your salvation.

I have posted the above study on the believer's eternal security for the benefit of anyone who wonders if eternal salvation can be lost. If you're interested, and why would you not be, then take the time to read it.

 
Old 08-07-2013, 08:05 PM
 
Location: God's Country
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AMEN Mike!! so sad many believers are troubled and fearful about losing their salvation. God went to great lengths to make our relationship with Him possible. It cost Him His Son, but the sacrifice did far more than provide us with a relationship with Him, it guaranteed the permanency of that relationship. Joy and insecurity cannot coexist. How realistic is it to expect to be joyful over a relationship that is only as secure as our behavior is consistent.
 
Old 08-07-2013, 08:11 PM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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No one should be fearful about losing salvation as long as they remain committed to the work of the kingdom ("eager to do good works" as Christ intended us to be) and is conscious of sanctification. It is not a dandelion seed blown about by every wind. Doctrines of men notwithstanding.
 
Old 08-07-2013, 08:51 PM
 
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No one should be fearful about losing salvation as long as they remain committed to the work of the kingdom ("eager to do good works" as Christ intended us to be) and is conscious of sanctification. It is not a dandelion seed blown about by every wind. Doctrines of men notwithstanding.
You cannot in any way lose your salvation. It brings the idea that someone can be born again, live for awhile then somehow be unborn again. Impossible. No one can be born again twice. Once it happens, you're saved forever.
 
Old 08-07-2013, 09:14 PM
 
Location: El Paso, TX
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AMEN Mike!! so sad many believers are troubled and fearful about losing their salvation. God went to great lengths to make our relationship with Him possible. It cost Him His Son, but the sacrifice did far more than provide us with a relationship with Him, it guaranteed the permanency of that relationship. Joy and insecurity cannot coexist. How realistic is it to expect to be joyful over a relationship that is only as secure as our behavior is consistent.
You are absolutely right. Insecurity breeds fear, not joy. The believer's eternal relationship with God is the most secure thing there is. What a heavy burden they bear who are depending on themselves and their own efforts in an attempt to earn and deserve what God freely offers by grace through faith in Christ Jesus. And the tragedy of it is that if they have never simply believed on Jesus Christ for salvation but are instead trying to work for their salvation they are simply working themselves deeper and deeper into a debt which they can never repay.

We owe God perfect righteousness. Without perfect righteousness we cannot have an eternal relationship with God. But our righteousness can never be acceptable to God. Trying to gain God's approval by our works of righteousness in order to earn and deserve eternal salvation is futile. That is why God imputes His own perfect righteousness to anyone who simply places His faith in Christ Jesus.
Romans 4:3 For what does the Scripture say? ''Abraham believed God and it was credited to him as righteousness.'' 4] Now to the one who works, his wage is not credited as a favor, but as what is due. 5] But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness,
It is one thing for the believer to produce good works in his spiritual life in the power of the Spirit, but it is an entirely different thing to try and work for your salvation. It can't be done.
Eph. 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9] not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.
 
Old 08-07-2013, 10:05 PM
 
Location: Northern Wisconsin
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Sorry to rain on your parade, but "Once Saved always saved is contradicted by all kinds of texts. There are severe warnings against falling away. Why are there warnings if it can't happen? It can. Note the following. Note also 1 Corinthians 10:1-14.

Jn 15:6 If anyone does not remain in me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned.

Ro 8:12 Therefore, brothers, we have an obligation—but it is not to the sinful nature, to live according to it. Ro 8:13 For if you live according to the sinful nature, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live,

Ro 11:22 Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off.

Heb 6:4 It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit,Heb 6:5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age,
Heb 6:6 if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.

So take heed to the warnings in God's word. We all need God's help to remain in faith, so cling to Jesus, His word and Promises, put your faith in Him above all things, and you will endure in faith.
 
Old 08-07-2013, 11:04 PM
 
Location: Tennessee
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Default More excuses needed

Please provide more excuses to dismiss this very real message from Paul to those who turned away from the gospel he preached. Paul failed to mention to these Christians he was writing to that they were still saved even though they were turning to a different gospel. He even said that should he or an angel from heaven preach a different gospel, he, or they, should be eternally condemned.
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Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ, who gave himself for our sins to rescue us from the present evil age, according to the will of our God and Father, to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen. I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel--which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned! Am I now trying to win the approval of men, or of God? Or am I trying to please men? If I were still trying to please men, I would not be a servant of Christ. (Gal 1:3-10)

There is no question that God was their spiritual Father (1:3) and that they accepted the real gospel when Paul preached it to them (1:9). That is also confirmed in Acts: The next day he and Barnabas left for Derbe. They preached the good news in that city and won a large number of disciples. Then they returned to Lystra, Iconium and Antioch, strengthening the disciples and encouraging them to remain true to the faith.We must go through many hardships to enter the kingdom of God,” they said. Paul and Barnabas appointed elders for them in each church and, with prayer and fasting, committed them to the Lord, in whom they had put their trust (Acts 14:20-23).

Without question, Acts 14:20-23 show the recipients of the Book of Galatians were really saved. After they came to salvation, some people (1:7) [false teachers] came and preached a false gospel to these Christians and they were in the process of turning to that false gospel (1:6), when this epistle was being written. Furthermore, this turning to a false gospel happened quickly and astonished Paul (1:6). This proves that real Christians can be fatally deceived by false teachers.
QUICKLY FALL AWAY | Turn To Another Gospel | DAVE HUNT
 
Old 08-07-2013, 11:19 PM
 
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Please provide more excuses to dismiss this very real message from Paul to those who turned away from the gospel he preached. Paul failed to mention to these Christians he was writing to that they were still saved even though they were turning to a different gospel. He even said that should he or an angel from heaven preach a different gospel, he, or they, should be eternally condemned.

QUICKLY FALL AWAY | Turn To Another Gospel | DAVE HUNT
The other gospel he was talking about was one of works and not grace. Jesus did a finished work on the cross. All sins, past, present and future were taken away so my salvation is eternal. My works, good or bad, have no bearing on it.
 
Old 08-08-2013, 12:51 AM
 
Location: El Paso, TX
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Sorry to rain on your parade, but "Once Saved always saved is contradicted by all kinds of texts. There are severe warnings against falling away. Why are there warnings if it can't happen? It can. Note the following. Note also 1 Corinthians 10:1-14.

Jn 15:6 If anyone does not remain in me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned.

Ro 8:12 Therefore, brothers, we have an obligation—but it is not to the sinful nature, to live according to it. Ro 8:13 For if you live according to the sinful nature, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live,

Ro 11:22 Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off.

Heb 6:4 It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit,Heb 6:5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age,
Heb 6:6 if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.

So take heed to the warnings in God's word. We all need God's help to remain in faith, so cling to Jesus, His word and Promises, put your faith in Him above all things, and you will endure in faith.
The verses which people use as proof texts to show that salvation can be lost are misunderstood by them. Hebrews 6:4-6 is a favorite.

However, if Hebrews 6:4-6 were stating that salvation could be lost then the phrase about it being impossible to renew them again to repentance would be saying that once salvation is lost you can not be saved again. And sadly, there are people who actually think that that is what it is saying.

But that passage is actually referring to Jewish believers who were being pressured by the Judaizers (often family members and friends) to go back into the practices of Judaism, including animal sacrifices. This would be tantamount to crucifying to themselves the Son of God who had already gone to the cross. To give in to the pressure of the Judaizers would mean that they had fallen away not from salvation, but from their grace orientation and into legalism. The writer of Hebrews is exhorting his readers to press on to spiritual maturity and not fall away from what they have been taught. If you go back to Hebrews 5:11 you can see that the context concerns those who have become dull of hearing and in need of being retaught the elementary principles of the word of God. And yet the writer urges his readers to press on to maturity and not lay again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, of instruction about washings and laying on of hands, and the resurrection of the dead and eternal judgment. Believers who have been oriented to grace teaching but become legalistic usually remain that way and it is generally impossible to renew them to repentance - to a change of mind regarding their legalism. There is no warning about the possibility of loss of salvation in this passage.

I will address the other passages you mentioned in another post. It's late right now and I'm not going to take the time at the moment to address them.
 
Old 08-08-2013, 04:29 AM
 
Location: Emmaus, PA
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So a person who claims to be "saved" can commit a murder, rape, or some other heinous sin and STILL go to Heaven because YOU said that you are going to Heaven. God's opinion doesn't even matter.

Okey Dokey.
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