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Old 05-23-2021, 03:10 PM
 
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Truth is proven by scripture interpreting itself! There is no other way to find truth.

If scripture does not prove what one is saying, then it's not truth.

This is why the study of scripture depending on the Spirit to guide is so very important.

There must be, I repeat there must be a well rounded knowledge of the scripture to know what is truth.
So, how do you interpret Jeremiah 31:31?...
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Old 05-23-2021, 03:10 PM
 
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Jesus said whoever wont keep the laws, and who teach other to not keep the laws will be the least in the kingdom of heaven.

He said whoever keeps the laws of Moses to then teach others to keep them will be the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.

Before he said this, he said," Do not think that I have come to abolish the laws of Moses, they will be here as long as the earth, moon, and sun are here.


You are reading a book about Gentiles who converted to Judaism, Gentiles on fire to become Jews.

What you present is something else.
Hanni, let us reason together on this.

Jesus Christ Himself chose a man to deliver to us the "the New Testament in His blood." It's the New Covenant in Jesus Christ.

Paul was specifically chosen by Christ, He told us so in Acts 9:15,

But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:

Did you see that in bold, Hanni, AND ALSO THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL.

Paul was given by Christ the meaning of the New Covenant, the meaning of the Law of Moses, it's purpose in Christ.

The Law is NOT done away with! It found it's destiny in Jesus Christ in that He fulfilled it to the letter.

The Law, the moral Law (the ten commandments) has always been God's standard of righteousness, man cannot and will not enter into heaven without keep it.

But the New Covenant in Christ's own blood reveals to us that it was necessary for Christ to come and fulfill that Law because we cannot keep it. So what did Christ do for helpless man? He came and kept that Law for us that by faith in Him, we are seen by God as Law keepers.

This is what Paul teaches us in his 14 epistles, the New Covenant and the Law of God, how we keep it by faith in His Spirit given to us by faith.
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Old 05-23-2021, 03:13 PM
 
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Paul was specifically chosen by Christ, He told us so in Acts 9:15,
Who told you so, Jesus or Paul?...
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Old 05-23-2021, 03:16 PM
 
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The Law, the moral Law (the ten commandments) has always been God's standard of righteousness, man cannot and will not enter into heaven without keep it.
That includes the fourth commandment...
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Old 05-23-2021, 03:22 PM
 
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That includes the fourth commandment...
Keeping the Sabbath is not looked at as a moral law. But it was necessary to list it as it was meant to symbolize our rest found in Christ through keeping the commandments by faith in Christ.
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Old 05-23-2021, 03:27 PM
 
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But the New Covenant in Christ's own blood reveals to us that it was necessary for Christ to come and fulfill that Law because we cannot keep it. So what did Christ do for helpless man? He came and kept that Law for us that by faith in Him, we are seen by God as Law keepers.

This is what Paul teaches us in his 14 epistles, the New Covenant and the Law of God, how we keep it by faith in His Spirit given to us by faith.

You shall have no other gods before Me. - I don’t have any desire to have other gods...

You shall make no idols. - I don’t have any desire to make idols.

You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain. - I don’t have any desire to use His Name in vain.

Keep the Sabbath day holy. - I keep the Sabbath and do no work on this day.

Honor your father and your mother. - I loved and honored my father and mother when they were alive.

You shall not murder. - I don’t have any desire to murder anyone, nor have I done so.

You shall not commit adultery. - I don’t have any desire to commit adultery.

You shall not steal. - I don’t have any desire to steal.

You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. - I don’t have any desire to tell lies about my neighbor.

You shall not covet. - I don’t covet anything.


If I can observe these ten simple rules, why can’t you?...
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Old 05-23-2021, 03:29 PM
 
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Keeping the Sabbath is not looked at as a moral law. But it was necessary to list it as it was meant to symbolize our rest found in Christ through keeping the commandments by faith in Christ.
Nope, you said the Ten Commandments, not the Nine Commandments...G-d even says that it is a statute forever...
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Old 05-23-2021, 03:40 PM
 
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Nope, you said the Ten Commandments, not the Nine Commandments...G-d even says that it is a statute forever...
Yes, the Sabbath is kept as the other 9 by faith in Christ.

Not as you physically keep it, but by faith.

Paul tells us plainly to not let any man judge us in the keeping of the Sabbath.

In Christ, everyday is the Sabbath and man has the liberty in Christ to keep any day of the week as his Sabbath.

Or he also has the liberty to not keep a day, but to honor Christ as keeping it for him by his faith.
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Old 05-23-2021, 04:06 PM
 
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Hanni, let us reason together on this.

Jesus Christ Himself chose a man to deliver to us the "the New Testament in His blood." It's the New Covenant in Jesus Christ.

Paul was specifically chosen by Christ, He told us so in Acts 9:15,

But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:

Did you see that in bold, Hanni, AND ALSO THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL.

Paul was given by Christ the meaning of the New Covenant, the meaning of the Law of Moses, it's purpose in Christ.

The Law is NOT done away with! It found it's destiny in Jesus Christ in that He fulfilled it to the letter.

The Law, the moral Law (the ten commandments) has always been God's standard of righteousness, man cannot and will not enter into heaven without keep it.

But the New Covenant in Christ's own blood reveals to us that it was necessary for Christ to come and fulfill that Law because we cannot keep it. So what did Christ do for helpless man? He came and kept that Law for us that by faith in Him, we are seen by God as Law keepers.

This is what Paul teaches us in his 14 epistles, the New Covenant and the Law of God, how we keep it by faith in His Spirit given to us by faith.
You arent in the new covenant Charlie, you are going to be very surprised on Rosh Hashanah.

The covenant is in black and white and you cant be honest enough with yourself to admit the facts of it, what I keep saying. I cant lie to myself, I admitted what it said, and I did something about it. You cant admit what it says, so you are just lost, separated from the commonwealth of Israel because you wont admit the truth of what you read.
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Old 05-23-2021, 04:16 PM
 
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You arent in the new covenant Charlie, you are going to be very surprised on Rosh Hashanah.

The covenant is in black and white and you cant be honest enough with yourself to admit the facts of it, what I keep saying. I cant lie to myself, I admitted what it said, and I did something about it. You cant admit what it says, so you are just lost, separated from the commonwealth of Israel because you wont admit the truth of what you read.
Yes, sounds like the difference between the NC believer and the OT believer, law vs faith.

The dilemma that determines the wide gate or the narrow!
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