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I am a Christian who is pro-gay. But, in defense of the OP statement, semantically speaking, I think what they mean is they are trying to live their lives believing it's sinful, but society is "in their face" saying that it's quite normal and not sinful at all and should be accepted. Did I get that right?
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Originally Posted by Jaymax
I'm sure Christian slave owners who used the Bible to justify slavery felt the same way.
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Originally Posted by Vizio
Why are you trying to hijack the thread and change the topic?
I'm not hijacking the thread and changing the topic. It's called an analogy.
Christian slave owners probably felt they were being 'forced to accept' that slavery was no longer acceptable in society despite the fact that they were able to use the Bible to justify owning slaves.
You clearly didn't bother to read the article- it was far more in depth than simply looking up a biblical lexicon.
Hey, at least he's "trying" to look beyond the normal English bible translations. That's way better than some of these people that come in not reading the thread at all and then just post all the traditional "Gay bash" verses in English as if that's all they need to do ;p I'm still waiting for someone to wise up and pull the Gagnon card so this at least becomes interesting.
I am of the opinion that children should not be indoctrinated at public schools into any belief that isn't a verifiable fact..
With all due respect, I don't think the problem with this philosophy is a matter of "right" or "wrong," so much as one of practicality. A public school must accommodate all students. If students are permitted to act on their distain for any particular group, then the rights of the students within that group are being violated. Requiring tolerance is the only workable solution. Remember also that you have to give what you take. I do not believe that a child should be bullied for being a Christian, therefore I do not believe that a student should be bullied for being gay (or anything else). That seems a reasonable compromise. If your beliefs forbid you from making that compromise, then the burden must necessarily fall to you to make other arrangements.
He is not. He's just pointing out that if the Bible is used to justify one thing, then it becomes an open target for others.
Funny no one responded to by quotes of all the stoning prescribed in the bible.
I'm a "she" btw, but no matter.
I was also pointing out that as society changes, so does people's interpretations of the biblical texts.
I doubt we would find many Christians in the 21st century who would advocate for owning blacks as slaves. Yet there were many Christians who DID use the Bible to justify owning slaves. It was preached from many pulpits at the time.
Instead, we find Christian Apologists now trying to play down the fact that the Bible condones slavery by trying to convince themselves that slavery in the Bible was like having a "servant" or "bondsperson" who was "part of the family"- when that is clearly not the case at all especially with foreign slaves.
Many Christians are now putting the handful of 'gay-bashing' verses back into their original cultural contexts- which have little or nothing at all to do with homosexuals and more to do with idolatrous pagan worshipping practices of fertility gods, male temple prostitutes, rape of strangers etc.
Many Christians are now putting the handful of 'gay-bashing' verses back into their original cultural contexts- which have little or nothing at all to do with homosexuals and more to do with idolatrous pagan worshipping practices of fertility gods, male temple prostitutes, rape of strangers etc.
It has always been about what is in the mind . . . the motivations and intent . . . that were offensive.
Hey, at least he's "trying" to look beyond the normal English bible translations. That's way better than some of these people that come in not reading the thread at all and then just post all the traditional "Gay bash" verses in English as if that's all they need to do ;p I'm still waiting for someone to wise up and pull the Gagnon card so this at least becomes interesting.
You mean the extremely anti-gay Robert Gagnon saying this?
“I do not doubt that the circles out of which Lev 18:22 was produced had in view homosexual cult prostitution, at least partly. Homosexual cult prostitution appears to have been the primary form in which homosexual intercourse was practiced in Israel.” The Bible And Homosexual Practice, p. 130.
You don't believe rewriting marriage laws in order to suit a very small minority is forcing something on the other 98%?
Or by brainwashing our kids in the public school system and telling them that adeviant sexual behavior is good and moral?
This....is why you're often called intolerant and a bigot...There is no way homosexuality is being forced on you or anyone else....I'm not sure where you are getting your information about what schools teach, but teaching kids that gays exist and are actually people the same as anyone else helps prevent bullying and bigotry....I think that is the good and moral thing to do.
I was also pointing out that as society changes, so does people's interpretations of the biblical texts.
I doubt we would find many Christians in the 21st century who would advocate for owning blacks as slaves. Yet there were many Christians who DID use the Bible to justify owning slaves. It was preached from many pulpits at the time.
I'm old enough to remember some Christians using the Bible to justify making African-Americans sit in the back of the bus.
Those same Bible-quoting right-wing Americans were extremely upset when black American citizens used the First Amendment to protest having to sit in the back of the bus. They showed just how upset they were by using fire hoses and attack dogs on those black citizens. And anyone who protested with them.
Funny how the religious right contributes to demonstrate that they want to use the First Amendment, but they don't anyone else using it. Now they're trying to tell the LGBT community that they don't have the right to use it. Same old, same old. They're still trying to silence anyone who disagrees with them.
Though the "they're saying mean things about us because we're Christians" angle is new.
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That's way better than some of these people that come in not reading the thread at all and then just post all the traditional "Gay bash" verses in English as if that's all they need to do ;p I'm still waiting for someone to wise up and pull the Gagnon card so this at least becomes interesting.
