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Old 05-13-2014, 10:57 PM
 
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What is different between the Church of Rome, as distinct from the Church that was in Jerusalem?

Any thoughts, as to who had it right?
What crept in, and altered the course of Christianity?

For by the second century the Church of Christ had become corrupted.
Especially, given the deaths and executions of James, Peter and Paul.
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Old 05-14-2014, 12:13 AM
 
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What is different between the Church of Rome, as distinct from the Church that was in Jerusalem?

Any thoughts, as to who had it right?
What crept in, and altered the course of Christianity?

For by the second century the Church of Christ had become corrupted.
Especially, given the deaths and executions of James, Peter and Paul.
A corruption is a fundamental change in the message of Jesus. By that standard the corruption started with Paul and there are plenty of fundamentalist theologians who will attest that Paul "fundamentally" altered Jesus' message of faith + good works = salvation. Paul eliminated the "good works" part of Jesus' message and made "faith alone" necessary for salvation with good works relegated to the back burner or no burner at all. Thus a person could do evil his entire life, repent of his sins on his deathbed and skate into heaven scot-free of any responsibility for his evil deeds.

Want to get sick to your stomach. Read about Dr. Shirō Ishii, called the Japanese "Dr. Death" during WW2. He mutilated tens of thousands of Chinese during the war, but escaped prosecution and repented and became a Christian on his deathbed, earning the right to sail into heaven free of all responsibility for his evil under Paul's totally sick theology.

Shir

Sounds pretty messed-up to me.
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Old 05-14-2014, 12:17 AM
 
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The Church happened. The Bible happened.

The teachings of the Lord and Savior, Christ, were in such pure form until outsiders corrupted it. And now we have the modern church.
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Old 05-14-2014, 01:19 AM
 
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A corruption is a fundamental change in the message of Jesus. By that standard the corruption started with Paul and there are plenty of fundamentalist theologians who will attest that Paul "fundamentally" altered Jesus' message of faith + good works = salvation. Paul eliminated the "good works" part of Jesus' message and made "faith alone" necessary for salvation with good works relegated to the back burner or no burner at all. Thus a person could do evil his entire life, repent of his sins on his deathbed and skate into heaven scot-free of any responsibility for his evil deeds.
Did the origins actually begin with Paul who believed in "living" by faith, which does not negate every aspect for which a person is responsible.
Or were they derived from those who corrupted the message? As Paul appears to follow that of James.


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Want to get sick to your stomach. Read about Dr. Shirō Ishii, called the Japanese "Dr. Death" during WW2. He mutilated tens of thousands of Chinese during the war, but escaped prosecution and repented and became a Christian on his deathbed, earning the right to sail into heaven free of all responsibility for his evil under Paul's totally sick theology.

Shir

Sounds pretty messed-up to me.
Sounds much like the 'Son of Sam' theology, as advocated through modern Christianism?

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Old 05-14-2014, 01:24 AM
 
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The Church happened. The Bible happened.

The teachings of the Lord and Savior, Christ, were in such pure form until outsiders corrupted it.
And now we have the modern church.
Unstable men distort the truth, even today.
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Old 05-14-2014, 01:35 AM
 
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"At the time of the end there will be a falling away."

A great apostasy is prophecied for the end time preparing the way for the anti-christ. An increase in homosexuality and all forms of immorality is part of it. We are almost certainly entering the end time. The signs are everywhere. Come Lord Jesus!
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Old 05-14-2014, 01:42 AM
 
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"At the time of the end there will be a falling away."

A great apostasy is prophecied for the end time preparing the way for the anti-christ. An increase in homosexuality and all forms of immorality is part of it.
We are almost certainly entering the end time. The signs are everywhere. Come Lord Jesus!
The falling away, crept in centuries ago; for there were many anti-Christs.
Unfortunately, it still goes unnoticed by those who have been indoctrinated.
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Old 05-14-2014, 03:04 AM
 
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What is different between the Church of Rome, as distinct from the Church that was in Jerusalem?

Any thoughts, as to who had it right?
What crept in, and altered the course of Christianity?

For by the second century the Church of Christ had become corrupted.
Especially, given the deaths and executions of James, Peter and Paul.
The Ebionites were in Jerusalem...
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Old 05-14-2014, 03:18 AM
 
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Professional clergy
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Old 05-14-2014, 03:37 AM
 
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I believe it happened when the Roman Empire decided to call itself Christian. With the political, legal and military power of the Empire they were able to impose their notions of Christianity on others and eliminate or drive into hiding those groups that disagreed.
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