Christ's Return Was Not Immanent (church, Revelation, believe, dogma)
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Regarding the concept that Jesus' return was imminent all these centuries, and could have happened at any time....I'm wondering how is that possible?
Aren't there some unfulfilled prophecies that would have to happen first?
How about the fact that The Nile never dried up? (though it seems that it is dryer now than it used to be)
Any thoughts on this?
02-14-2014, 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by TwoWitnesses
Regarding the concept that Jesus' return was imminent all these centuries, and could have happened at any time....I'm wondering how is that possible?
Aren't there some unfulfilled prophecies that would have to happen first?
How about the fact that The Nile never dried up? (though it seems that it is dryer now than it used to be)
Any thoughts on this?
Simple, imminent, as you have defined it is not is the Bible - that was a concept that later developed. The concept that is in the Bible is the soon return of Christ - that is what is meant by imminent not 'that it could happen anytime.' That is a Tommy Ice definition based upon his pre-trib nonsense. The soon return allows for certain things to happen prior to the return but must happen within the generation of Christ.
Regarding the concept that Jesus' return was imminent all these centuries, and could have happened at any time....I'm wondering how is that possible?
Aren't there some unfulfilled prophecies that would have to happen first?
How about the fact that The Nile never dried up? (though it seems that it is dryer now than it used to be)
Any thoughts on this?
It is the pre-tribulational rapture of the church which is spoken of as being imminent. Not Jesus' return at the end of the Tribulation. Matthew 24 tells of the things which will occur before He returns. But there are no prophesies which must be fulfilled before the rapture of the church occurs.
Now, if you are one of those who thinks the rapture of the church is post-tribulational then you will not believe in the imminency of the rapture.
I've believe that the generic nature of some End Time signs (wars, rumors of wars, earthquakes, signs in the sky, etc), leading many to believe that every generation could be the 'final generation,' ... is God's intention.
Every person of every generation of all times has an equal reason to believe that theirs could be the End Times or final generation. This gives every person an equal sense of urgency to live the life they believe God intends for them to live now ... or not.
Rev. 1:3 - "Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written in it; for the time is near." How else could every person "keep" future events; and even if they did, Revelation is a prophesied certainty of what WILL happen. Only the events, attitudes and responses leading-up to the last days can be changed by each individual.
Another thought is that every person of every generation actually is 'living in their own End Times' ... and upon their own death, will meet the Lord ... just as they would in the event of the 'rapture' ... (or their sudden death during the End Times. Even though many focus on the events and dates of the Revelation and End times, I believe they are really more about OUR response now!
Regarding the concept that Jesus' return was imminent all these centuries, and could have happened at any time....I'm wondering how is that possible?
Aren't there some unfulfilled prophecies that would have to happen first?
How about the fact that The Nile never dried up? (though it seems that it is dryer now than it used to be)
Any thoughts on this?
Jesus spoke of his return in terms of like when a person looks through a telescope (sometimes called the telescoping nature of end time prophecies)
At times Jesus would speak about the upcoming Jerusalem's destruction or situation of things that have occurred, in order to have us look down to the future events concerning his only second return.
In other words, sometime he is speaking about things that are close in coming (like the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD) while looking down to his only second return but also blends the focus from one to another that is sometimes hard to distinguish.
Last edited by twin.spin; 02-14-2014 at 04:08 PM..
If you discern even one sin in the earth , than that is a sin against God .... Jesus has the spiritual authority over the earth , and will one day rip the sin out and there will be no more sin what so ever , as God is sinless , and He owns the sin filled earth , there is No question that God will claim the earth before the earth and God plan is destroyed once again
If you discern even one sin in the earth , than that is a sin against God .... Jesus has the spiritual authority over the earth , and will one day rip the sin out and there will be no more sin what so ever , as God is sinless , and He owns the sin filled earth , there is No question that God will claim the earth before the earth and God plan is destroyed once again
Perhaps God is already 'reclaiming the earth' ... one person at a time, through Jesus' victory over sin and death on the cross at Calvary! And perhaps, instead of "ripping the sin out" (as might be suggested in the parable of wheat and tares (?)), He has forgiven sin and offered eternal Salvation, by grace through faith in the lives of each individual believer in Jesus Christ (Eph 2:8).
During the 1000-year Millennium period following the Great Tribulation, Christ will rule and reign on earth --- and, at some point, the world as we know it, will be destroyed.
If you discern even one sin in the earth , than that is a sin against God .... Jesus has the spiritual authority over the earth , and will one day rip the sin out and there will be no more sin what so ever , as God is sinless , and He owns the sin filled earth , there is No question that God will claim the earth before the earth and God plan is destroyed once again
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Originally Posted by jghorton
Perhaps God is already 'reclaiming the earth' ... one person at a time, through Jesus' victory over sin and death on the cross at Calvary! And perhaps, instead of "ripping the sin out" (as might be suggested in the parable of wheat and tares (?)), He has forgiven sin and offered eternal Salvation, by grace through faith in the lives of each individual believer in Jesus Christ (Eph 2:8).
During the 1000-year Millennium period following the Great Tribulation, Christ will rule and reign on earth --- and, at some point, the world as we know it, will be destroyed.
I'm not 100% sure hljc was referring to the millennial reign or not, but it doesn't effect what I wanted to say. I am constantly amazed how those ten verses in Rev 20 are interpreted so completely different by people. I find dispensational premillennialism to be the most literal interpretation though I am not dogmatic enough to say others are out to lunch. Fortunately, as Brother Horton said, salvation is most important, then we can endeavor into eschatology.
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Christ's Return Was Not Imminent
