The rise of Chrisian fundamentalism and the World Wars (punishment, churches, Messiah)
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WW1 was more of a civil libertarian rise but sedition was far more of an issue than today .....WW11....was a decline to a heart less world .........Where Christianity had an awakening during the 1850s to 1910 but it slowed in salvation in the early 1900s ...... Jesus had a resurgence in the 1960 through 2000 in salvations
Do you think there is any correlation between the World Wars and the rise of Christian fundamentalism in the early 1900s?
It's been a lot of years since I read this, but I believe it was theologian Paul Tllich who theorized that WWII had tribalized God, so that Americans in particular see God as in this country rather than this country as a part of God's world.
And Tillich has turned out to be absolutely correct. There is more flag waving in church around the Fourth of July, there is more singing of patriotic songs and a whole bunch of other baloney than any other time. Personally I believe any church that flies a U.S. flag rather than simply the Christian flag should have no tax exemption. It flat out disgusts me. And with all the people living here from other nations we'll soon have some group placing the Mexican flag in an American church.
Patriotism is important, but needs to be so far down on the flag pole in a church that it doesn't even show.
We have a people believing God is on our side, when we need Christians seeking to be on God's side in the war on poverty, the battle to obtain health care for all (which is what made Jesus different from a dozen other healing messiah's of His age ---He healed for free!!!), and the battle to open our church doors to all sinners, not just the sins we approve of.
Instead we have an ineffective religion because we have changed the God of the world into a tribal God---and nowhere is the emasculation of God greater than in the fundamentalist churches who have turned Him into their very own warrior God and set about trying to use Him to destroy people and institutions they deem unworthy.
We are enjoined after all, to love our neighbor, not a tribal god. The abrahamic religion is about a religion of the individual, not a group think tank that organizes god along political lines as opposed to personal lines. Our thoughts and concerns as Christians should be about how we can help individuals, not about how we can become a theocracy.
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Power is of two kinds. One is obtained by the fear of punishment and the other by acts of love.
Power based on love is a thousand times more effective and permanent than the one derived from
fear of punishment.
It's been a lot of years since I read this, but I believe it was theologian Paul Tllich who theorized that WWII had tribalized God, so that Americans in particular see God as in this country rather than this country as a part of God's world.
And Tillich has turned out to be absolutely correct. There is more flag waving in church around the Fourth of July, there is more singing of patriotic songs and a whole bunch of other baloney than any other time. Personally I believe any church that flies a U.S. flag rather than simply the Christian flag should have no tax exemption. It flat out disgusts me. And with all the people living here from other nations we'll soon have some group placing the Mexican flag in an American church.
Patriotism is important, but needs to be so far down on the flag pole in a church that it doesn't even show.
We have a people believing God is on our side, when we need Christians seeking to be on God's side in the war on poverty, the battle to obtain health care for all (which is what made Jesus different from a dozen other healing messiah's of His age ---He healed for free!!!), and the battle to open our church doors to all sinners, not just the sins we approve of.
Instead we have an ineffective religion because we have changed the God of the world into a tribal God---and nowhere is the emasculation of God greater than in the fundamentalist churches who have turned Him into their very own warrior God and set about trying to use Him to destroy people and institutions they deem unworthy.
We are enjoined after all, to love our neighbor, not a tribal god. The abrahamic religion is about a religion of the individual, not a group think tank that organizes god along political lines as opposed to personal lines. Our thoughts and concerns as Christians should be about how we can help individuals, not about how we can become a theocracy.
Thanks. And all this time I have been mislead into thinking that the Japanese desire for empire and the Nazi's desire to conquer all of Europe was behind WW2.
It's been a lot of years since I read this, but I believe it was theologian Paul Tllich who theorized that WWII had tribalized God, so that Americans in particular see God as in this country rather than this country as a part of God's world.
And Tillich has turned out to be absolutely correct. There is more flag waving in church around the Fourth of July, there is more singing of patriotic songs and a whole bunch of other baloney than any other time. Personally I believe any church that flies a U.S. flag rather than simply the Christian flag should have no tax exemption. It flat out disgusts me. And with all the people living here from other nations we'll soon have some group placing the Mexican flag in an American church.
Patriotism is important, but needs to be so far down on the flag pole in a church that it doesn't even show.
We have a people believing God is on our side, when we need Christians seeking to be on God's side in the war on poverty, the battle to obtain health care for all (which is what made Jesus different from a dozen other healing messiah's of His age ---He healed for free!!!), and the battle to open our church doors to all sinners, not just the sins we approve of.
Instead we have an ineffective religion because we have changed the God of the world into a tribal God---and nowhere is the emasculation of God greater than in the fundamentalist churches who have turned Him into their very own warrior God and set about trying to use Him to destroy people and institutions they deem unworthy.
We are enjoined after all, to love our neighbor, not a tribal god. The abrahamic religion is about a religion of the individual, not a group think tank that organizes god along political lines as opposed to personal lines. Our thoughts and concerns as Christians should be about how we can help individuals, not about how we can become a theocracy.
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Originally Posted by Mr5150
Thanks. And all this time I have been mislead into thinking that the Japanese desire for empire and the Nazi's desire to conquer all of Europe was behind WW2.
And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote
to you according to the wisdom given him, as he does in all his letters when he speaks in
them of these matters.
There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.
You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability
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