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Well, I see you made a prayer request and may be journeying to AZ to help distribute donated goods to the Central Americans.
If you do that you may actually learn WHY I made that post. And the truth behind it. See..... it's real easy to just think you've got the scoop on everything. You can decide "I'm right, what I preach is right, and those who disagree with me are just a bunch of wiseacres who shouldn't be posting on the Christianity threads."
Or you can stop and think..... gee... what do those posters know that I don't know? (Hint: Sometimes...... a lot.)
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It's the life, not the covering that carries the most importance.
If you ever held one of these innocents in your arms, while they were dying
... you would know that?
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber
It seems you like to make straw man suggestions, and then pretend you didn't mean anything by them. Why say meaningless things?
If, (there's that small word again) you find that which is stated above as meaningless, that's fine with me.
But remember, you picked up on that which is less significant in an attempt to create the straw-man.
Try addressing the real issue, instead of the fundamentals of emotionalism. Thank you.
If, (there's that small word again) you find that which is stated above as meaningless, that's fine with me.
But remember, you picked up on that which is less significant in an attempt to create the straw-man.
Try addressing the real issue, instead of the fundamentals of emotionalism. Thanks you.
Why say meaningless things, and then dance around when people ask about them?
Actually, when Christ returns and establishes His Millennial kingdom on the earth it will indeed be by force as He destroys the armies which seek to oppose Him (Zech 14:1-3; Revelation 19:11-21). As the statue in Nebuchadnezzar's dream indicates (Daniel chapter 2), the 10 rulers in existence when Christ returns will be destroyed by Him. And Jesus will rule with a rod of iron. Psalm 2 tells us that when Jesus establishes His kingdom He will break the rebellious nations with a rod of iron and will shatter them like pottery.
Well, when Jesus comes back, it will not be by force as it may appear in the Bible. There is a great misunderstanding of Jerusalem. Jerusalem is a plural word. The Lord never allowed the writers of the Bible, except for John and Paul, to separate the meaning of Jerusalems into their respective meanings. Paul explains in Galatians 4 the difference between the two, and its allegories. He compares the two covenants to the earthly Jerusalem and the New Jerusalem. The old covenant, (not to be confused with the Old Testament), was the law, and it related to Mount Sinai and the commandments which enslaved people with rules that could not be broken, yet could not be kept, and he also relates this to Abraham's effort to produce a son by his own work through Hagar and Ishmael. The Jerusalem which is above, is the New Jerusalem which has set us free, and is the mother of true Christanity. Paul says that we need to cast out the bondwoman, which is represented by the Old Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. (Spiritual offspring). At the end of the chapter, Paul says that we are to cast her out, and that she cannot be heirs with the freewoman, (New Jerusalem). This looks like an allegory, but with the way that Paul relates it to these two different locations, they must be inclusive of location. Is there any more proof?
In Jeremiah 19, he speaks of Jerusalem being broken. Some may think that this pertains to Jerusalem's many destructions, but here Jeremiah relates that the city will never be rebuilt. Also, in Isaiah 29, he speaks of the destruction of Ariel, the city where David dwelt, which is Old Jerusalem, and he describes a total destruction which comes in an instant. (vs. 5) This could be a nuclear explosion seeing how he mentions it in relation to thunder, earthquake, great noise, storm and tempest, and the flame of a devouring fire.
The Old Jerusalem is born after the flesh, like Ishmael. They have rejected the New Covenant instead remaining under the old covenant, which makes them as Mount Sinai, and Ishmaelites. Many in the Christian church think that the Jews will be a part in ushering in the Kingdom of God, yet Jesus said in parable that those that killed the heir and son would be brought before God to be slain. Paul was aguing the fact that the new Christians should distance themselves from the Jewish teachings, and that they are to be compared to Hagar. He said to "cast out the bondwoman", because the spiritual cannot come from the fleshly. God allowed the Romans to destroy the Temple in Jerusalem 1946 years ago, but didn't completely destroy Judaism or the Old city. But as Jeremiah has prophesied, that day of total destruction is coming. It's too bad that so many Christians have been fleeced into believing a lie that Old Jerusalem will once again rule. They have the Russians attacking Israel, etc, but it won't happen that way.
God is gathering the nations together in a place called Armageddon. It is a spiritual gathering; a revealing of who is for God vesus who is against Him. It is physically impossible for the nations to all gather in a valley in Israel. Those with wisdom can see who these are.
As far as Jesus coming and killing multitudes with the sword of His tongue, I refer people to the fact that Jesus' tongue-sword is the same Word of God that Hebrews speaks of. It is the two edged sword that is sharper than any other and is capable of dividing soul and spirit, bone and marrow. This is the very thing that God is doing when He divides. He separates the sin in men's souls from their spirits.
A New Testament example of this action that Jesus will be taking is in Acts. It is quite prophetic. Annanias and Saphira got caught bearing false witness. They died on the spot. When Jesus comes, there will be no lying when it comes to our honest devotion to God. And the Spirit of God, allegorically symbolized by the sword in Jesus' mouth will be dealing with people on earth. Any physical destruction on the earth will come as a result of satan and mankind throwing their last fit before they have to give up the reigns of power. It will take a bit of time, but God is patient. The rod of iron symbolizes God's reign in that He will hold true to the judgments that are handed down. He's going to do everything in love as much as possible, and only in cases like Annania and Saphira will there be death on the spot. Jesus is not out to destroy evil men, He is coming to separate men from evil. It is another stage in God's plan to move men from where they were after Adam fell, to where they will be for eternity, as His sons and daughters.
if, (there's that small word again) you find that which is stated above as meaningless, that's fine with me.
But remember, you picked up on that which is less significant in an attempt to create the straw-man.
Try addressing the real issue, instead of the fundamentals of emotionalism. Thank you.
Actually, when Christ returns and establishes His Millennial kingdom on the earth it will indeed be by force as He destroys the armies which seek to oppose Him (Zech 14:1-3; Revelation 19:11-21). As the statue in Nebuchadnezzar's dream indicates (Daniel chapter 2), the 10 rulers in existence when Christ returns will be destroyed by Him. And Jesus will rule with a rod of iron. Psalm 2 tells us that when Jesus establishes His kingdom He will break the rebellious nations with a rod of iron and will shatter them like pottery.
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Originally Posted by trumpethim
Well, when Jesus comes back, it will not be by force as it may appear in the Bible. There is a great misunderstanding of Jerusalem. Jerusalem is a plural word. The Lord never allowed the writers of the Bible, except for John and Paul, to separate the meaning of Jerusalems into their respective meanings. Paul explains in Galatians 4 the difference between the two, and its allegories. He compares the two covenants to the earthly Jerusalem and the New Jerusalem. The old covenant, (not to be confused with the Old Testament), was the law, and it related to Mount Sinai and the commandments which enslaved people with rules that could not be broken, yet could not be kept, and he also relates this to Abraham's effort to produce a son by his own work through Hagar and Ishmael. The Jerusalem which is above, is the New Jerusalem which has set us free, and is the mother of true Christanity. Paul says that we need to cast out the bondwoman, which is represented by the Old Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. (Spiritual offspring). At the end of the chapter, Paul says that we are to cast her out, and that she cannot be heirs with the freewoman, (New Jerusalem). This looks like an allegory, but with the way that Paul relates it to these two different locations, they must be inclusive of location. Is there any more proof?
In Jeremiah 19, he speaks of Jerusalem being broken. Some may think that this pertains to Jerusalem's many destructions, but here Jeremiah relates that the city will never be rebuilt. Also, in Isaiah 29, he speaks of the destruction of Ariel, the city where David dwelt, which is Old Jerusalem, and he describes a total destruction which comes in an instant. (vs. 5) This could be a nuclear explosion seeing how he mentions it in relation to thunder, earthquake, great noise, storm and tempest, and the flame of a devouring fire.
The Old Jerusalem is born after the flesh, like Ishmael. They have rejected the New Covenant instead remaining under the old covenant, which makes them as Mount Sinai, and Ishmaelites. Many in the Christian church think that the Jews will be a part in ushering in the Kingdom of God, yet Jesus said in parable that those that killed the heir and son would be brought before God to be slain. Paul was aguing the fact that the new Christians should distance themselves from the Jewish teachings, and that they are to be compared to Hagar. He said to "cast out the bondwoman", because the spiritual cannot come from the fleshly. God allowed the Romans to destroy the Temple in Jerusalem 1946 years ago, but didn't completely destroy Judaism or the Old city. But as Jeremiah has prophesied, that day of total destruction is coming. It's too bad that so many Christians have been fleeced into believing a lie that Old Jerusalem will once again rule. They have the Russians attacking Israel, etc, but it won't happen that way.
God is gathering the nations together in a place called Armageddon. It is a spiritual gathering; a revealing of who is for God vesus who is against Him. It is physically impossible for the nations to all gather in a valley in Israel. Those with wisdom can see who these are.
As far as Jesus coming and killing multitudes with the sword of His tongue, I refer people to the fact that Jesus' tongue-sword is the same Word of God that Hebrews speaks of. It is the two edged sword that is sharper than any other and is capable of dividing soul and spirit, bone and marrow. This is the very thing that God is doing when He divides. He separates the sin in men's souls from their spirits.
A New Testament example of this action that Jesus will be taking is in Acts. It is quite prophetic. Annanias and Saphira got caught bearing false witness. They died on the spot. When Jesus comes, there will be no lying when it comes to our honest devotion to God. And the Spirit of God, allegorically symbolized by the sword in Jesus' mouth will be dealing with people on earth. Any physical destruction on the earth will come as a result of satan and mankind throwing their last fit before they have to give up the reigns of power. It will take a bit of time, but God is patient. The rod of iron symbolizes God's reign in that He will hold true to the judgments that are handed down. He's going to do everything in love as much as possible, and only in cases like Annania and Saphira will there be death on the spot. Jesus is not out to destroy evil men, He is coming to separate men from evil. It is another stage in God's plan to move men from where they were after Adam fell, to where they will be for eternity, as His sons and daughters.
First, 'Jerusalem' is a feminine singular noun. Not plural. That has nothing to do with the distinction between Jerusalem and the New Jerusalem.
Second, Armageddon will be the final battle of the Tribulation and it will be quite literal as shown in Zech. 14 and Rev. 19. It will actually be fought throughout the entire land as stated in Ezekiel 38:9,16. It will involve Jerusalem - Zech. 12:2-11; 14:2, Megiddo and the Plain of Esdraelon - Revelation 16:16, the Valley of Hamon-gog, east of Jerusalem - Ezek. 39:11.Ezek. 39:12-13 states that it will take seven months to bury the dead.
Third, Jeremiah 19 does not say that Jerusalem will never be rebuilt. The Bible plainly teaches that the earthly Jerusalem will exist during the Millennium. And Jeremiah 33:16 states that in those days - the Millennium, Jerusalem will dwell in safety. Zechariah 14:10-11 states that Jerusalem will rise and remain on its site from Benjamin's Gate as far as the place of the First Gate to the Corner Gate, and from the tower of Hananel to the king's wine presses, and that people will live in it, for Jerusalem will dwell in security.
The fact is that when Jesus returns, His kingdom will be established forcibly just as the Bible reveals. Your statement, ''Well, when Jesus comes back, it will not be by force as it may appear in the Bible.'', simply is not true.
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