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That was informative and constructive reading. Thanks Cyber.
The reason I made reference to this was because another point that was being made by the theologian was God's concern from the outcry of his chosen people that to them Edom "should have had our backs covered" as it were and out of love for his chosen people God reminds them (and us) "Don't worry, I've got your back".
That's why we read in the NT about God telling us to not take revenge \ bless those who speak evil against us .... simply because God has our back.
Amen, Twin.
How easily the flesh wants to lash out, wanting to defend against the evil and the wicked deeds and the Lord always reminds do not resist evil, nor take vengeance by hastily defending against the evil, wicked deeds.
It's not worth it, that is to act upon the injustice we see and deal with in this life everyday. As God has His time and day to bring justice (make things right) with the injustice of the wickedness and evil in this world. And that which is said and done to His people.
I have found such blessing, especially His peace by praying, turning and allowing God to deal with it and as you stated, remembering....... "Don't worry, God has our backs !!"
A big amen to that !! As He promise He will never leave nor forsake us !!
Twinspin, God does not do battle against flesh and blood, he defeats his enemies by disarming them in the spiritual realm, if you read the sermon of the mount a message Jesus gave directly from the heart of the unchanging God you would hopefully understand this.
What you are saying is what God is doing now under grace, pcamps. Under the law, God did go to war against certain nations and had nations come against Israel when Israel would break the law they agreed to keep . . . or else. God was only giving them what they agreed to in their covenant with Him.
Amen, Twin.
How easily the flesh wants to lash out, wanting to defend against the evil and the wicked deeds and the Lord always reminds do not resist evil, nor take vengeance by hastily defending against the evil, wicked deeds.
It's not worth it, that is to act upon the injustice we see and deal with in this life everyday. As God has His time and day to bring justice (make things right) with the injustice of the wickedness and evil in this world. And that which is said and done to His people.
I have found such blessing, especially His peace by praying, turning and allowing God to deal with it and as you stated, remembering....... "Don't worry, God has our backs !!"
A big amen to that !! As He promise He will never leave nor forsake us !!
Blessings
That is a step in the right direction. When we can achieve the attitude displayed in "Father forgive them for they know not what they do" we will have come a long way.
What you are saying is what God is doing now under grace, pcamps. Under the law, God did go to war against certain nations and had nations come against Israel when Israel would break the law they agreed to keep . . . or else. God was only giving them what they agreed to in their covenant with Him.
Euse, i am sorry my friend, God did not have some divine revelation that he saw that warfare is a spiritual one and not one against flesh and blood and changed upon that revelation. It is us who comes to that understanding and changes with it.
While we retain the beliefs in a tribal god we are never going to come to the full stature of Christ.
Euse, i am sorry my friend, God did not have some divine revelation that he saw that warfare is a spiritual one and not one against flesh and blood and changed upon that revelation. It is us who comes to that understanding and changes with it.
While we retain the beliefs in a tribal god we are never going to come to the full stature of Christ.
No matter what you say pcamps, God told Israel what all the curses of the law would be. They agreed to it in covenant. God brought nations against them. It was not something "spiritual" but very earthly nations which came against them as promised in the law.
Euse, i am sorry my friend, God did not have some divine revelation that he saw that warfare is a spiritual one and not one against flesh and blood and changed upon that revelation. It is us who comes to that understanding and changes with it. While we retain the beliefs in a tribal god we are never going to come to the full stature of Christ.
No matter what you say pcamps, God told Israel what all the curses of the law would be. They agreed to it in covenant. God brought nations against them. It was not something "spiritual" but very earthly nations which came against them as promised in the law.
It is a law that runs right through scriptures...... If you sow to the flesh from the flesh( not "from God")we reap destruction.
To be spiritually minded is life and peace, it has always been that way and to be carnally minded is sin and death. If you do not believe me read Psalm 1 and when you are done with that skip 89 Psalms and read 91.
It will come to be if you do not hearken to the voice of Yahweh your Elohim to observe and to do all His instructions and His statutes that I am enjoining on you today, that all these maledictions will come on you and overtake you. Cursed be you in the city, and cursed be you in the field. Cursed be your basket and your kneading-trough. Cursed be the fruit of your belly, the fruit of your ground and the fruit of your beast, the calving of your domestic animals and the lambing of your flock. Cursed be you in your coming in, and cursed be you in your going forth. Yahweh shall send the curse, the discomfiture and the rebuke on you in every undertaking of your hand that you shall do, until you are exterminated and you perish quickly, in view of the evil of your actions in which you have forsaken Me. Yahweh shall cause the plague to cling to you until He finishes you off the ground where you are entering to tenant it. Yahweh shall smite you with attenuation, with fever and inflammation, with hot heat and drought, with blasting and mildew, and they will pursue you until you perish. Your heavens that are over your head will come to be as copper, and the earth that is beneath you as iron. Yahweh shall make the rain of your land to be dust and soil-drifts; from the heavens it shall descend on you until you are exterminated. Yahweh shall make you to be struck down before your enemies. By a single road shall you go forth to them, and by seven roads shall you flee before them. So you will become an object of commotion to all the kingdoms of the earth. Your carcass will become food for every flyer of the heavens and for the beast of the earth, and there will be no one causing them to tremble. Yahweh shall smite you with the boil of Egypt, with piles, with eczema and with the itch, from which you cannot be healed. Yahweh shall smite you with madness, with blindness and with derangement of heart;" and you will come to be groping at noon just as the blind one gropes in the gloom, and you shall not prosper in your ways and will only become extorted and pillaged all the days, and there will be no saviour. A wife shall you betroth, yet another man shall ravish her. A house shall you build, yet you shall not dwell in it. A vineyard shall you plant, yet you shall not take it for profane use. Your bull shall be slaughtered before your eyes, yet you shall not eat of it. Your donkey shall be snatched from before you, yet it shall not return to you. Your flock shall be given to your enemies, yet there will be no saviour for you. Your sons and your daughters shall be given to another people, and your eyes shall be staring and wasting away for them all the day, yet there will be nothing at the disposal of your hand. A people you do not know shall devour the fruit of your ground and all your labor, and you will surely be extorted and bruised all the days, so that you will become mad because of the sight of your eyes that you shall see. Yahweh shall smite you with an evil boil on both the knees and on both the legs, of which you cannot be healed, from the sole of your foot and unto your scalp. Yahweh shall conduct you and your king, whom you shall set up over you, to a nation whom you have not known, neither you nor your fathers, and you will serve there other elohim of wood and stone. You will become an object of astonishment, a proverb and a byword among all the peoples where Yahweh shall lead you. Much seed shall you bring forth to the field, yet little shall you gather, for the locust shall eat it up. You shall plant vineyards, and you will service them, yet you shall neither drink the wine, nor shall you hoard it, for the worm shall devour it. You shall come to have olives in all your territory, yet you shall not rub yourself with oil because your olives shall drop off. You shall generate sons and daughters, yet they shall not become yours, for they shall go into captivity. The cicada shall make all your trees and the fruit of your ground destitute. The sojourner who is among you shall ascend over you upward and upward, yet you shall descend downward and downward. He shall obligate you, yet you shall not obligate him. He shall become the head, and you shall become the tail. All the maledictions will come on you, and they will pursue you and overtake you until you are exterminated, for you would not hearken to the voice of Yahweh your Elohim to observe His instructions and His statutes that He enjoined on you. They will be a sign and a miracle against you and your seed until the eon. Inasmuch as you would not serve Yahweh your Elohim with rejoicing and with goodness of heart over the abundance of everything, then you will serve your enemies whom Yahweh shall send forth against you, in famine and in thirst, in nakedness and in lack of everything. He will put an iron yoke on your neck until He has exterminated you. Yahweh shall lift up against you a nation from afar, from the end of the earth, just as the vulture swoops down, a nation whose tongue you have not heard, a nation strong of face who neither lifts the face of the old one with partiality nor is gracious to the youth. It will devour the fruit of your beast and the fruit of your ground until you are exterminated, a nation who shall not let grain, grape juice or clarified oil, the calving of your domestic animals or the lambing of your flock remain for you, until it destroys you. It will lay siege against you in all your gates until your lofty and defended walls in which you will be trusting come down in all your land; and he will lay siege against you in all your gates in all your land that Yahweh your Elohim will have given to you. Then you will eat the fruit of your own belly, the flesh of your sons and your daughters whom Yahweh your Elohim will have given to you, in the siege and in the constraint with which your enemy shall constrain you. The tender-hearted man among you and the one very fastidious, his eye shall be evil toward his brother and toward the wife of his bosom and toward the rest of his sons whom he shall have left, so as to keep from giving to one of them the flesh of his sons that he is eating because nothing at all remains for him in the siege and in the constraint with which your enemy shall constrain you in all your gates. The tender-hearted woman among you, and the fastidious one, who would not try to put the sole of her foot on the earth because of fastidiousness and tenderness, her eye shall be evil toward the husband of her bosom and toward her son and toward her daughter, even for her afterbirth coming forth from between her feet, even for her sons whom she is bearing, for she shall eat them for lack of everything, in concealment during the siege and during the constraint with which your enemy shall constrain you in your gates. Should you not observe to obey all the words of this law, the ones written in this scroll, to fear the name of this glorified and fear-inspiring One, Yahweh your Elohim, then Yahweh will make your smitings and the smitings of your seed extraordinary:smitings that are great and constant, and illnesses that are bad and constant. Thus He will bring back to you every disease of Egypt from the presence of which you shrank away, and they will cling to you. Moreover, every illness and every smiting that is not written in the scroll of this law, Yahweh shall bring them up on you until you are exterminated. Thus you will remain few in adult males, whereas you would have become as the stars of the heavens for multitude, for you did not hearken to the voice of Yahweh your Elohim. So it will come to be, just as Yahweh was elated over you to bring you good and to let you increase, so Yahweh shall be elated over you to destroy you and to exterminate you, so that you will be swept away off the ground where you are entering to tenant it. And Yahweh will scatter you among all the peoples from one end of the earth unto the other end of the earth. There you will serve other elohim, those of wood and stone which you have not known, neither you nor your fathers. And among those nations you shall neither find respite, nor shall there be a resting place for the sole of your foot, and Yahweh will give to you there a disturbed heart, a failure of the eyes and pining of the soul. Then your lives will come to be hung in suspense in front of you. You will be afraid by night and by day, and you shall not put trust in your lives. In the morning you shall say:O that it were evening! And in the evening you shall say:O that it were morning! because of the awe of your heart with which you shall be afraid and because of the sight of your eyes which you shall see. Then Yahweh will bring you back complaining to Egypt by the way of which I said to you:You should not again see it further. There you will put yourselves up for sale to your enemies as servants and as maids, yet there will be no buyer.
(Deuteronomy 28:15-68)
That is a step in the right direction. When we can achieve the attitude displayed in "Father forgive them for they know not what they do" we will have come a long way.
Jesus did not speak those words with the intention in which folks like you are implying with the greater scheme ... which is no different than the same folks who are purposefully perverting Psalm 137:9 into something other than their justification of the continual barrage against the Bible.
Jesus did not speak those words with the intention in which folks like you are implying with the greater scheme ... which is no different than the same folks who are purposefully perverting Psalm 137:9 into something other than their justification of the continual barrage against the Bible.
Explain to me please HOW I am getting Jesus' intention wrong.
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