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Nope, they are held accountable as their parents are. If believers the child gets grace if the parents are not the death of the child is their FAULT, not God's. Kinda like a drunk father killing his child in a car accident. God did not spare the children in the flood or Sodom. Now a future resurrection for such is possible I will agree. Yjay would give them time to grow understand and .... chose.
The real issue will be at the end when all are alive and judgement comes. Believers live, unbelievers and their children, don't. Parents fault. Being a parent is a responsibility, a grave one.
If the child of an unsaved parent accepts Jesus as his personal savior, he/she will go to heaven. The child's eternity is not dependent on the parent. The child's earthly life may be strongly affected such as parent lost all the family's money, Dad beat the child, On earth, we are a product of our environment unless we make a concerted effort to escape it, which many have done. Insofar as eternity is concerned:
According to John 3:16-17 New International Version (NIV)
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.
The "whosoever" does not have any exceptions
BUT I think this is a little off topic from the original thread
The mother has great deal of influence on her child ,from her strengths and weakness and courage and fear, these are instilled in that little person, long before they are born.
Though she may live secretively a double standard the child is getting this , especially in the cases of bipolarization .
It's not necessarily genetic, it's learned.
The mother has great deal of influence on her child ,from her strengths and weakness and courage and fear, these are instilled in that little person, long before they are born.
Though she may live secretively a double standard the child is getting this , especially in the cases of bipolarization .
It's not necessarily genetic, it's learned.
Everything we hear and accept as true shapes us and our world.
My opinion is worth nothing save that of a single fallible human, but I will say this: if it is true that god assigns to hell the reprobate without opportunity for salvation, either because he hardens their hearts to him or ends their earthly lives before they might have come to know him, then I will feel no remorse when I am judged guilty of rejecting him; for such a being would be unworthy of love or worship regardless of his power.
If I am cut off for all eternity from the god some here are describing, I cannot imagine feeling the worse for it.
Hello all.
My opinion is worth nothing save that of a single fallible human, but I will say this: if it is true that god assigns to hell the reprobate without opportunity for salvation, either because he hardens their hearts to him or ends their earthly lives before they might have come to know him, then I will feel no remorse when I am judged guilty of rejecting him; for such a being would be unworthy of love or worship regardless of his power.
If I am cut off for all eternity from the god some here are describing, I cannot imagine feeling the worse for it.
Thanks.
Amen! The God some seem to believe in is definitely NOT worthy of anything but reproach.
I disagree. A baby is not held accountable because he cannot understand the issue and God cannot be unfair. Anyone who cannot even conceive of the concept of God is not held accountable. Whether the parents are themselves believers or not is irrelevant. I am not going to spend time debating the issue however.
Who died in the flood because of their parents disbelief?
What do we learn from that about the next judgement?
If the child of an unsaved parent accepts Jesus as his personal savior, he/she will go to heaven. The child's eternity is not dependent on the parent. The child's earthly life may be strongly affected such as parent lost all the family's money, Dad beat the child, On earth, we are a product of our environment unless we make a concerted effort to escape it, which many have done. Insofar as eternity is concerned:
According to John 3:16-17 New International Version (NIV)
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.
The "whosoever" does not have any exceptions
BUT I think this is a little off topic from the original thread
Who died in the flood because of their parents unbelief?
What do we learn from that about the next judgement to come?
My opinion is worth nothing save that of a single fallible human, but I will say this: if it is true that god assigns to hell the reprobate without opportunity for salvation, either because he hardens their hearts to him or ends their earthly lives before they might have come to know him, then I will feel no remorse when I am judged guilty of rejecting him; for such a being would be unworthy of love or worship regardless of his power.
If I am cut off for all eternity from the god some here are describing, I cannot imagine feeling the worse for it.
Thanks.
You are correct and the teaching He does is a sample of Satan's efforts to make God look like .... Satan and turn people away from God.
He doesn't send everyone to Hell, they go to the grave (sheol/hades in scripture) and .. get out.
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I disagree. A baby is not held accountable because he cannot understand the issue and God cannot be unfair. Anyone who cannot even conceive of the concept of God is not held accountable. Whether the parents are themselves believers or not is irrelevant. I am not going to spend time debating the issue however.
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Originally Posted by expatCA
Who died in the flood because of their parents disbelief?
What do we learn from that about the next judgement?
More than that: What about the Egyptian first born?
But Mike is probably thinking along the lines of DIRECTLY accountable not indirectly - indirectly they just get slaughtered but end up in heaven (think William Lane Craig). Still why not just slaughter the parents or the Pharaoh instead of the children? But since we must a-priori define God as THE GOOD then all his actions must be good as well so he must have good reasons even though they are far from reasonable to us. Such is the faith of... Well I won't say it - I might suffer the Mod's wrath.
Anyway, this thread sure did get off track.
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