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Jesus understood that it was God's plan for Him to suffer and die. God bless.
John 12
24 Truly, truly, I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the earth and dies, it remains alone; but if it dies, it bears much fruit. 25 He who loves his [h]life loses it, and he who hates his life in this world will keep it to life eternal. (aionios) 26 If anyone [j]serves Me, he must follow Me; and where I am, there My servant will be also; if anyone [k]serves Me, the Father will honor him
[i]27 "Now My soul has become troubled; and what shall I say, ‘Father, save Me from this hour’? But for this purpose I came to this hour. 28 Father, glorify Your name." Then a voice came out of heaven: "I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again." 29 So the crowd of people who stood by and heard it were saying that it had thundered; others were saying, "An angel has spoken to Him." 30 Jesus answered and said, "This voice has not come for My sake, but for your sakes. 31 Now judgment is upon this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out. 32 And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to Myself." 33 But He was saying this to indicate the kind of death by which He was to die."
Acts 2 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
22 “Men of Israel, listen to these words: Jesus the Nazarene, a man [r]attested to you by God with [s]miracles and wonders and [t]signs which God performed through Him in your midst, just as you yourselves know— 23 this Man, delivered over by the predetermined plan and foreknowledge of God, you nailed to a cross by the hands of [u]godless men and put Him to death.24 [v]But God raised Him up again, putting an end to the [w]agony of death, since it was impossible for Him to be held [x]in its power.
God bless.
How these transliterations are translated can make a huge difference in what is infrred from the, Shana. Verse 23 in the passage you highlighted is an example:
delivered over by the predetermined plan and foreknowledge of God,
Versus KJV:
being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God
The Greek is:
ekdotos horizō boulē kai prognōsis theos
being delivered G1560 = ekdotos (given over to the power of)
by the determinate G3724 = horizō (the determined)
counsel G1012 = boulē (advice)
and G2532 = kai (and)
foreknowledge G4268 = prognōsis (knowledge)
of God, G2316 = theos (God)
You see this as the predetermined plan of God demanding it . . . but I see it as simply following the counsel (advice) and knowledge of God. These are legitimate differences that make the notion that there is one absolute way to interpret scripture problematic. Making your interpretations of scripture the absolute criterion for truth is a dangerous path, Shana. We can disagree . . . but we should not pretend we have the truth and others do not. All sincere believers use scripture and sincerely follow Christ. To do so in agape "love of God and each other" and repenting when we don't is the surest way to do so, IMO. I know that you feel the same . . . even if we are not in the same boat, Shana.
boule=project, intention, counsel, decree, deliberation, decision or plan (Hebrew Greek Key Word Study Bible)
It was still God's plan and His foreknowledge. He intended for this to happen, Mystic. It was also prophesie in the Old Testament and Jesus referred to it. God bless.
Last edited by ShanaBrown; 08-09-2014 at 02:57 PM..
Yes, Hebrews 5 8 "Even though Jesus was God's Son, he learned obedience from the things he suffered."
I do not think it is in sense that Jesus was ignorant of it, and had to de educated about it, but rather than He experienced it in flesh.
The word translated as "suffering" does NOT mean that. It simply means "experiences." Jesus . . . like all of us learned through experience. The mistaken context of a punishing God permeates the translations used by mainstream Christians to perpetuate the apostate anti-Christ message of a God who needed to be appeased for our failings. It is simply not so and never was.
I just asked if you believe in Jesus and if you believe that God raised Him from the dead, Jerade. Is this a yes or a no? God bless.
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