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"But here is a simple truth that many of us seem to resist: living too long is also a loss. It renders many of us, if not disabled, then faltering and declining, a state that may not be worse than death but is nonetheless deprived."
"It robs us of our creativity and ability to contribute to work, society, the world. It transforms how people experience us, relate to us, and, most important, remember us. We are no longer remembered as vibrant and engaged but as feeble, ineffectual, even pathetic."
That is so crazy wrong. My mother lived with me for 7 years and in those years she was on the decline. Did I hurt to see her that way and not be able to have a conversation with me like she could before. Sure, but I still loved her and accepted her the way she was. After all, she put up with me when I was not able to carry on a conversation with her as a toddler. People can be so self-centered.
So people who kill themselves are brave and "die with dignity" but those who hang onto the end and let God decide their time don't, "die with dignity"?
[quote=janelle144;37303788]That is so crazy wrong. My mother lived with me for 7 years and in those years she was on the decline. Did I hurt to see her that way and not be able to have a conversation with me like she could before. Sure, but I still loved her and accepted her the way she was. After all, she put up with me when I was not able to carry on a conversation with her as a toddler. People can be so self-centered.
So people who kill themselves are brave and "die with dignity" but those who hang onto the end and let God decide their time don't, "die with dignity"?[/quote]
She did die with dignity, Janelle. That was her choice and something y'all were comfortable with. Same with my mother. Other people deal differently, and that's their choice.
So people who kill themselves are brave and "die with dignity" but those who hang onto the end and let God decide their time don't, "die with dignity"?
They don't live with dignity, especially when they're blind, deaf, COPD, etc etc and wearing Depends like my mother.
I'm heading for the blindness routine myself and I find Mr. Emanuel's article very interesting.
No, it's often human hubris to extend the human organism beyond what would have been God's will.
Christians--who supposedly believe they will enter a blessed afterlife--should have a different view of death than we seem to have. One pastor has said, "Christians spend more time praying to keep people out of heaven than we spend praying to get people into heaven."
We Christians need to have a dialog about death and a Christian attitude about unnaturally extending the life. When a person is no longer able even to pray...to live is no longer gain, but to die is still Christ.
No, it's often human hubris to extend the human organism beyond what would have been God's will.
Christians--who supposedly believe they will enter a blessed afterlife--should have a different view of death than we seem to have. One pastor has said, "Christians spend more time praying to keep people out of heaven than we spend praying to get people into heaven."
We Christians need to have a dialog about death and a Christian attitude about unnaturally extending the life. When a person is no longer able even to pray...to live is no longer gain, but to die is still Christ.
Amen !
I like that quote, "Christians spend more time praying to keep people out of heaven than we spend praying to get people into heaven."
Probably because it is so true and yes, I do believe the Christian needs more dialog about death ! !
Talking about death and understanding it in a Christian pov, it truly does destroy the power of fear one may have, if any about death and gives the heart the power of faith, ushering us into the presense of our Lord Jesus Christ, of one finually going HOME, our ultimate healing, amen !
That is so crazy wrong. My mother lived with me for 7 years and in those years she was on the decline. Did I hurt to see her that way and not be able to have a conversation with me like she could before. Sure, but I still loved her and accepted her the way she was. After all, she put up with me when I was not able to carry on a conversation with her as a toddler. People can be so self-centered.
So people who kill themselves are brave and "die with dignity" but those who hang onto the end and let God decide their time don't, "die with dignity"?
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Originally Posted by Tantalust
They don't live with dignity, especially when they're blind, deaf, COPD, etc etc and wearing Depends like my mother.
I'm heading for the blindness routine myself and I find Mr. Emanuel's article very interesting.
Yes, my mother and many of her friends suffered for years, then died a twisted, tortured death. I just don't seem to like it too much when that happens, for some odd reason.
Choice has nothing to do with it. We do not have the authority to take our own life.
Sometimes choice is forced upon us. The people who were trapped on the upper floors of the World Trade Center on 9/11 found that out.
Were those who jumped supposed to wait to be burned alive? Or does God have special rules if you go to work one day and someone doesn't succeed in killing you on the first try?
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