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Nope, as it wasn't a resurrection. Note the ones coming into the city did so AFTER Christ's resurrection.
People went to the grave yard, as did mary and others and found dead bodies everywhere and went back to the city to tell people about it.
It says the "bodies" were raised. The earthquake did that and the bodies being on the surface polluted the city. Further evidence that God had kept His Son's word.
KJV Matthew 23:38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
Not exactly. They were raised at the moment Christ died on Friday but had to remain in their tombs until Jesus was raised on Sunday. That was kind of mean of God, don't you think.
From which scripture did you get the idea that "People went to the grave yard, as did mary and others and found dead bodies everywhere "?
Matt 27: 52The tombs also were opened, and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised. [Just like Jesus was three days later] 53 After his resurrection they came out of the tombs and entered the holy city and appeared to many.
It is really amazing how dead bodies can come out of their graves and enter Jerusalem, it must be an enormous earthquake, that they could enter and be seen. Raised dead bodies that come out of their graves and walk (enter) and being seen entering are resurrected bodies. Their was indeed a great earthquake after Christ resurrection (Mat 28:2). An angel came down and rolled away the stone of Jesus's tomb and pronounced Jesus resurrection., no pollution at all. The desolation of the temple came 70 AD, about 40 years later.
Question: Did any historian of that period or any other scripture writer report such an earthquake? Or could it be just a story Matthew made up to try to claim yet another miracle?
"The earth quaked…appeared to many: peculiar to Matthew. The earthquake, the splitting of the rocks, and especially the resurrection of the dead saints indicate the coming of the final age. In the Old Testament the coming of God is frequently portrayed with the imagery of an earthquake (see Ps 68:9; 77:19), [Footnote to Matt 27 in New American Bible]
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Not exactly. They were raised at the moment Christ died on Friday but had to remain in their tombs until Jesus was raised on Sunday. That was kind of mean of God, don't you think.
From which scripture did you get the idea that "People went to the grave yard, as did mary and others and found dead bodies everywhere "?
Matt 27: 52The tombs also were opened, and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised. [Just like Jesus was three days later] 53 After his resurrection they came out of the tombs and entered the holy city and appeared to many.
They were not raised before Jesus was raised. Context please. The resurrection of the OT saints are referred to as the Firstfruits (1. Cor 15:23; Eph 4:8-10).
Question: Did any historian of that period or any other scripture writer report such an earthquake? Or could it be just a story Matthew made up to try to claim yet another miracle?
"The earth quaked…appeared to many: peculiar to Matthew. The earthquake, the splitting of the rocks, and especially the resurrection of the dead saints indicate the coming of the final age. In the Old Testament the coming of God is frequently portrayed with the imagery of an earthquake (see Ps 68:9; 77:19), [Footnote to Matt 27 in New American Bible]
The great earthquake in Revelation is the Day of the LORD, the second coming of Christ. That resurrection is called the first one and is future. Jesus was raised from the dead at the 17th of Nisan, a Shabbath at 3 pm, 3 days and 3 nights after His crucifixion, the earthquake was about 6pm at twilight, when Mary Magdalene and the other Mary visited the tomb and the angel came from Heaven and rolled away the stone and the soldiers fell as dead, than the earthquake happened, at that time Jesus was already risen "He is not here". The other gospel writers wrote what happened the next morning, Sunday the 18th of Nisan. Why should Matthew not write the truth? I do not need another historian writer, I believe Matthew, why you have doubt?
They were not raised before Jesus was raised. Context please. The resurrection of the OT saints are referred to as the Firstfruits (1. Cor 15:23; Eph 4:8-10).
I always like the "context" ploy in which the meaning of words are taken to mean something quite different than what they plainly say.
Lets look at the relevant scripture in Matthew 27:50-53 (NRSV)
"Then Jesus cried again with a loud voice and breathed his last.* 51At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two, from top to bottom. The earth shook, and the rocks were split. 52The tombs also were opened, and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised.
53After his resurrection[NB Three days later]they came out of the tombs and entered the holy city and appeared to many.
Note especially "At that moment" not three days later.
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I always like the "context" ploy in which the meaning of words are taken to mean something quite different than what they plainly say.
Lets look at the relevant scripture in Matthew 27:50-53 (NRSV)
"Then Jesus cried again with a loud voice and breathed his last.* 51At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two, from top to bottom. The earth shook, and the rocks were split. 52The tombs also were opened, and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised.
53After his resurrection[NB Three days later]they came out of the tombs and entered the holy city and appeared to many.
Note especially "At that moment" not three days later.
The KJV reads "the saints which slept arose, and came out of the graves after his resurrection..." THis would be not at that moment, when the curtain was torn, but three days later and that makes sense, because Jesus was the firstborn of all (1. Cor 15:20-23; Rev1:5).
The dead are dead or asleep if you prefer and as David said, know
absolutely nothing at all, their thoughts die at the moment of death when the
oxygen and blood are cut off from their brains. Before you protest - there are
not two sets of thoughts - only one. The spirit does not have its own set of
thoughts apart from the body. Ask your doctor what happens when a person is
declared "brain dead".
Agree. God bless.
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First of all, Galileo2, you are using an NIV which, in this case cannot be used to show it was "at that moment". The actual text uses a Greek word which means "behold", or "see", which is used as a word to verify the fact that it actually happened. There is no time bearing in that word.
The people that "came out of the graves" were saints, which sets a limit on how many came out of the grave. It also says that "their bodies came out", which can be an inferrence to the fact that they were NOT resurrected, and this fact is proven in the Greek text, where the word "raised" is the same word used when Lazarus was raised, which was not a resurrection. The word used when Jesus was resurrected is a different word.
It says that there was an earthquake, but there is no mention that it was a huge destructive one.
There is also scripture evidence that the resurrection of Jesus stands alone as the only resurrection that has thus far taken place; sorry to those that think that Jesus' mother Mary was resurrected. That is scripturally impossible. Then there is the scripture in Revelation 20 that says that there is the first resurrection at the beginning time of the thousand years, and then those that will "live again" for the Final Judgment. There are only 3 resurrections in total. Jesus' resurrection, the First Resurrection before the thousand years, and the Resurrection of all the rest of humanity for the White Throne Judgment.
These people that "came back to life", like Lazarus, were few in number, they probably had died recently before Jesus died, and they then would have died a natural death later. They probably would have given a testimony similar to Lazarus.
The KJV reads "the saints which slept arose, and came out of the graves after his resurrection..." THis would be not at that moment, when the curtain was torn, but three days later and that makes sense, because Jesus was the firstborn of all (1. Cor 15:20-23; Rev1:5).
No. Perhaps you should quote the complete sentence not merely a fragment of a sentence to support your claim.
From the King James Bible Matthew 27:
50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;
52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
“Arose” and “came out of the graves” are different actions. The first occurred when“Jesus yielded up the ghost” (ie died) and the second after his resurrection three days later.
First of all, Galileo2, you are using an NIV which, in this case cannot be used to show it was "at that moment". The actual text uses a Greek word which means "behold", or "see", which is used as a word to verify the fact that it actually happened. There is no time bearing in that word.
The people that "came out of the graves" were saints, which sets a limit on how many came out of the grave. It also says that "their bodies came out", which can be an inferrence to the fact that they were NOT resurrected, and this fact is proven in the Greek text, where the word "raised" is the same word used when Lazarus was raised, which was not a resurrection. The word used when Jesus was resurrected is a different word.
It says that there was an earthquake, but there is no mention that it was a huge destructive one.
There is also scripture evidence that the resurrection of Jesus stands alone as the only resurrection that has thus far taken place; sorry to those that think that Jesus' mother Mary was resurrected. That is scripturally impossible. Then there is the scripture in Revelation 20 that says that there is the first resurrection at the beginning time of the thousand years, and then those that will "live again" for the Final Judgment. There are only 3 resurrections in total. Jesus' resurrection, the First Resurrection before the thousand years, and the Resurrection of all the rest of humanity for the White Throne Judgment.
These people that "came back to life", like Lazarus, were few in number, they probably had died recently before Jesus died, and they then would have died a natural death later. They probably would have given a testimony similar to Lazarus.
RESPONSE: No. I am using the New Revised Standard Version (NRSV) just as I specified. It is a product of the World Council of Churches and is translated room the original languages using the oldest extant documents available. The methodology of Catholic New American Bible is similar. See also the Greek interlinear translation I cited.
You do not cite which word you are referring, but it appears to be the Greek "meta" Strong's Lexicon number 3326:
3326 metá (a preposition) – properly, with ("after with"), implying "change afterward" (i.e. what results after the activity). As an active "with," 3326 (metá) looks towards the after-effect (change, result) which is only defined by the context.
From the NAB 53 "And coming forth from their tombs after his resurrection," Footnote: "After his resurrection: this qualification seems to be due to Matthew’s wish to assert the primacy of Jesus’ resurrection even though he has placed the resurrection of the dead saints immediately after Jesus’ death."
If you believe I am in error please correct me, but please provide the citations for the references you use.
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