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Old 03-10-2015, 04:39 AM
 
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In a certain context this could be true. But does not elaborate who Satan is. Only that a human can be a vessel impeding itself. But when one has clarity through refinement of Fire do we see the root cause which was before us and in front of us.
But the human is not solely the hasatan just a tool used by the enemy to do his will. And that will was before and after man. Of course until that man or woman is the inheritor of the one who is the Alpha and the Omega. Which is before and after the enemy incompassing all that is.
Rev ch 3 …20'Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me. 21'He who overcomes, I will grant to him to sit down with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne. 22'He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.'"
Satan is a Christian invention...
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Old 03-10-2015, 04:43 AM
 
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Man was a murderer from the beginning.
It's man who hates, and creates evil.

The propensity is within him.
It's called the Yetzer HaRa as opposed to the Yetzer Tov...We choose which one we follow...
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Old 03-10-2015, 05:07 AM
 
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In mind and body we can fight. But how do we fight a spirit?
With our thoughts?
How does one perceive the thoughts of the enemy that devises wickedness and lay's down snares to cause one to stumble?
Can a man become perfect of his own freewill?


If a man could do this then it would be his will alone and not the will of God.......
There is no Satan ... at least not as modern fundamentalists describe. God did NOT abandon this earth to an evil being who was at least His equal. That was a fiction of that heretic Augustine, a Manichean. We have been misled by 15 centuries of heresy and false doctrine based upon that heresy. We have free will. God also talks to each of us ALL the time, inspired us to see His path, His plan.

Do we listen?
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Old 03-10-2015, 06:57 AM
 
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There is no Satan ... at least not as modern fundamentalists describe. God did NOT abandon this earth to an evil being who was at least His equal. That was a fiction of that heretic Augustine, a Manichean. We have been misled by 15 centuries of heresy and false doctrine based upon that heresy. We have free will. God also talks to each of us ALL the time, inspired us to see His path, His plan.

Do we listen?
Manichean?...Augustine?....
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Old 03-10-2015, 07:37 AM
 
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Manichean?...Augustine?....
Absolutely. Augustine was a Manichean for at least ten years prior to becoming a Christian. It's as easy as googling Augustine in Wikipedia. Augustine definitely amalgamated some of his Manichean background with his scriptural interpretation----and Christianity is the poorer for it.
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Old 03-10-2015, 09:16 PM
 
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^indeed
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Old 03-10-2015, 09:34 PM
 
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Man was a murderer from the beginning.
It's man who hates, and creates evil.

The propensity is within him.
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Old 03-10-2015, 09:37 PM
 
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Because it's not enough to believe that we are forgiven by God because God is merciful and God is forgiving. We have to believe that the good, merciful and forgiving God who is love had to see someone brutally tortured and murdered in order to forgive us.

Apparently if you want to be orthodox, mainstream and accepted by the many, yes. Was God unwilling to forgive before Jesus came into the world? I don't think so.
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Old 03-10-2015, 09:43 PM
 
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In mind and body we can fight. But how do we fight a spirit?
With our thoughts?
How does one perceive the thoughts of the enemy that devises wickedness and lay's down snares to cause one to stumble?
Can a man become perfect of his own freewill?


If a man could do this then it would be his will alone and not the will of God.......
No, a man cannot become free by his own free will. But surely you have read about having the mind of Christ in the New Testament. Things first enter the mind, and if left there unchecked they can penetrate the spirit/heart of a person. Also, men devise evil with both mind and heart. Think on things that are pure, lovely and true. It is of utmost importance that we are vigilant about guarding our hearts by first of all guarding our minds as thoughts come to us. That is our work, as we "work out" the salvation we have been given.
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Old 03-10-2015, 09:53 PM
 
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It's called the Yetzer HaRa as opposed to the Yetzer Tov...We choose which one we follow...
The right, power or privilege of having a choice, requires sound judgment.
As we live with the consequences of our decisions; right or wrong.
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