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Old 03-03-2015, 11:49 PM
 
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I don't know for sure, but my guess is that it is our consciousness that is responsible for this memory.
But our consciousness is a product of the reactions in our brain, so we are back to square one again.
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Old 03-03-2015, 11:51 PM
 
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But our consciousness is a product of the reactions in our brain, so we are back to square one again.
I don't think that has been proven. Even if it was scientifically proven, I do not believe science has the answer to everything.
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Old 03-04-2015, 08:34 AM
 
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That is not a reason to say that it can have no bearing on what may come later.
You are free to believe whatever you want to believe, of course. But we do know that people who have NDEs do not actually die. Otherwise they wouldn't be able to tell us about their NDE. Right?
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Old 03-04-2015, 08:41 AM
 
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You are free to believe whatever you want to believe, of course. But we do know that people who have NDEs do not actually die. Otherwise they wouldn't be able to tell us about their NDE. Right?
Its not about belief. I'm simply saying that it doesn't make sense to say that her experience in the here and now can have no bearing on what may come later. There is no way for us to state that definitively. As far as what exactly an NDE is, or even what constitutes death, those are just arbitrary terms that we use for things we don't fully understand at this point.
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Old 03-04-2015, 04:45 PM
 
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Its not about belief. I'm simply saying that it doesn't make sense to say that her experience in the here and now can have no bearing on what may come later. There is no way for us to state that definitively. As far as what exactly an NDE is, or even what constitutes death, those are just arbitrary terms that we use for things we don't fully understand at this point.
That's the appeal to ignorance fallacy. No, I can't prove that NDEs are NOT evidence of an afterlife. But neither can I prove we're NOT all living in a giant computer simulation like in the movie The Matrix. There's no reason to take the one idea any more seriously than the other. Do you see what I'm getting at?
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Old 03-05-2015, 09:50 AM
 
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That's the appeal to ignorance fallacy. No, I can't prove that NDEs are NOT evidence of an afterlife. But neither can I prove we're NOT all living in a giant computer simulation like in the movie The Matrix. There's no reason to take the one idea any more seriously than the other. Do you see what I'm getting at?
I don't think so, Freak. An argument from ignorance would be claiming that something is true because we don't know that it is false. I'm not saying these NDE experiences have any bearing on what may happen after physical death, I simply maintain that we can't definitively say that they do not. See where I'm coming from?

As far as NDE's being indicative of a Matrix-like reality, probably some could use them to make such a case, I don't know. However, it is not what the direct witness of the people who experience these things indicate.
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