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Old 04-06-2015, 10:46 PM
 
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Not one word from Jesus even though Jesus said He gave the words that were given to Him to His followers who accept them.

Paul spoke on his own and since he did he was seeking his own glory though he thought he was serving Jesus he was not. Jesus made the rules how to follow Him and that is to use His words as He did.

"He who sows the good seed is the son of man."

"The seed is the word."

"From the believers heart shall follow rivers of living water."

"If only you knew Gods gift and who it is who said give me a drink, you would have asked him and he would have given you living water".
Actually Paul was quoting the prophets in these verses.
When the prophets spoke it was Jesus speaking to them.
All things come full circle with God.
Very interesting you used a verse not repeated by Paul. as far as living waters. But what are living waters.? It is God that gives increase.
Your a quick study.

The Seed is the word. Yes sir..
5What then is Apollos? And what is Paul? Servants through whom you believed, even as the Lord gave opportunity to each one. 6I planted, Apollos watered, but God was causing the growth. 7So then neither the one who plants nor the one who waters is anything, but God who causes the growth.…
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Old 04-06-2015, 11:03 PM
 
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I used to listen to Paul too because I was taught by others who were taught to listen to Paul but when I listened to Jesus alone and the prophets I could see that Paul was an impostor.

I notice you do not address that Jesus sent His followers as He was sent with the same words and glory making them one as He is One thus making them righteous by the words they use as He did. Could this be because you do not follow Him as John 17 describes his followers but instead adhere to the teaching of Paul.
Two reasons I did not address the underlined.

1- It has nothing to do with the verse you used in the OP.

2- His followers are to follow the Holy Spirit as instructed.

If you think Paul is an impostor, then you are definitely not following the Holy Spirit.
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Old 04-06-2015, 11:53 PM
 
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I did not say not to help others with material things but that it is not what is meant by loving your neighbor as yourself.

Seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness and all these things shall be added to you.

One should not be seeking food that will perish but food that will last unto eternal life, food which the son of man will give you for it is on him that God has put His seal.

My food is doing the will of my heavenly Father and bringing His work to completion.
If you love only by the word, you love is not for real.

We know that God is righteous. And if we know that peoples suffering all over the world without food, and seal our heart for them. Do we are righteous?

If we claim we are, we lie.

Jesus Christ give his life for us, and now we should be are willing to give our life for our brothers, but if we are not even willing to give extra money what we do not even need, for our brothers, or just those who need it, then how can we are willing to give our life, which has a lot more value that our extra goods?

We can not serve mammon and God.
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Old 04-07-2015, 07:47 AM
 
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If you love only by the word, you love is not for real.

We know that God is righteous. And if we know that peoples suffering all over the world without food, and seal our heart for them. Do we are righteous?

If we claim we are, we lie.

Jesus Christ give his life for us, and now we should be are willing to give our life for our brothers, but if we are not even willing to give extra money what we do not even need, for our brothers, or just those who need it, then how can we are willing to give our life, which has a lot more value that our extra goods?

We can not serve mammon and God.
Why does God let them suffer?

Is it so they will seek Him or so you can give them physical things? If they seek Him and His righteousness He will provide for them as it is promised. But if you do not give them the bread of life then how can they eat and drink in His presence and enter His kingdom?

As it is written;

"The one who enters through the gate is the shepherd of the sheep."

"Open up the gates to let in a nation that is just, one that keeps faith", says the Lord
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Old 04-07-2015, 08:08 AM
 
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Two reasons I did not address the underlined.

1- It has nothing to do with the verse you used in the OP.

2- His followers are to follow the Holy Spirit as instructed.

If you think Paul is an impostor, then you are definitely not following the Holy Spirit.
Jesus said to follow Him and carry out everything He commanded!!

Remember the spirit of truth declares the truth that is from the son and glorifies the son. How can I not have the holy spirit when I declare the truth which comes from the son as Jesus stated?

Is it because I do not believe Paul? How can I believe Jesus and say what Jesus said and not have the Holy Spirit? If I believe Jesus and do His works why must I believe Paul who did not do His works? Could be the holy spirit is not what you think He is since he seems to tell Christians different beliefs. Could be the holy spirit is another advocate like Jesus, a man/woman who spreads the truth as Jesus did and follows Him and not some kind of invisible entity.


"Just as in the days of Noah so shall it be at the coming of the son of man."

"The son of man will come at a time you least expect."

"Stay awake or you will not know when your lord will come."
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Old 04-07-2015, 08:41 AM
 
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But, you are not told to wonder what is going on in your neighbor's house, and condemn them for your imaginings. The act of love is minding your own business, and leaving your neighbor to their own.
It is about to telling the truth.

If I only tell what the man want to hear, I speak lies, and the light in me is not the light, but darkness.
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Old 04-07-2015, 07:26 PM
 
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It is about to telling the truth.

If I only tell what the man want to hear, I speak lies, and the light in me is not the light, but darkness.

What knowledge do you have about private matters? You only have your imagination as to what happens.

What kind of truth is that?
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Old 04-07-2015, 08:32 PM
 
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Jesus does not say he is speaking of Himself. He says HE who seeks the glory of the One who sent him is truthful. Besides, Jesus sent His followers as He was sent with the same words and glory so this shows that those who do and say as He did are righteous because of the words of truth. That is why it is written "you are clean because of the words I have spoken to you."
Learn English please.

He can also mean "the one who".

As in "he who would be first among you must first become a servant." It does not mean a specific person He, it means "anyone (including Jesus)."
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Old 04-07-2015, 10:47 PM
 
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Learn English please.

He can also mean "the one who".

As in "he who would be first among you must first become a servant." It does not mean a specific person He, it means "anyone (including Jesus)."
That is what I have been saying but people want to believe Paul that no one is righteous when Jesus clearly said there are others who are righteous.


Matthew 23:29 NKJV

Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! Because you build the tombs of the prophets and adorn the monuments of the righteous.
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