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As a Christian Universalist I believe that we should warn of the judgments of God and I have always shared that I believe that many will experience hell, but I do not believe that eternal hell is the final destination for those who experience the severe judgments of God. I also don't believe that Gehenna refers to an eternal hell. I believe that many will suffer loss, dishoner, anguish, torment but I also believe that this will result in their eventual subjection that God may dwell in them also. Many will miss out on experiencing eonian life in this age and in the next age, many of the Jewish leaders who were anticipating this. See the difference? God bless.
Again, my question was not answered. Jesus told us to fear someone.
Again, my question was not answered. Jesus told us to fear someone.
Who?__________
Why do we need to be afraid?____________
It wasn't? Here is the answer again, Cg81.
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Young’s Literal Translation
And I say to you, my friends, be not afraid of those killing the body, and after these things are not having anything over to do. But I will show to you, whom you may fear, Fear him who, after the killing, is having authority to cast to the Gehenna; yes, I say to you, Fear ye Him”
Concordant Literal
"Now I am saying to you, My friends, be not afraid of those who are killing the body and after this do not have anything more excessive that they can do
Now I shall be intimating to you of Whom you may be afraid: Be afraid of Him Who, after killing, has authority to be casting into Gehenna. Yea, I am saying to you, of this One be afraid!"
Again,
As a Christian Universalist I believe that we should warn of the judgments of God and I have always shared that I believe that many will experience hell, but I do not believe that eternal hell is the final destination for those who experience the severe judgments of God. I also don't believe that Gehenna refers to an eternal hell. I believe that many will suffer loss, dishoner, anguish, torment but I also believe that this will result in their eventual subjection that God may dwell in them also. See the difference? Many will miss out on experiencing eonian life in this age and in the next age, many of the Jewish leaders who were anticipating this. God bless
And I say to you, my friends, be not afraid of those killing the body, and after these things are not having anything over to do. But I will show to you, whom you may fear, Fear him who, after the killing, is having authority to cast to the Gehenna; yes, I say to you, Fear ye Him”
Concordant Literal
"Now I am saying to you, My friends, be not afraid of those who are killing the body and after this do not have anything more excessive that they can do
Now I shall be intimating to you of Whom you may be afraid: Be afraid of Him Who, after killing, has authority to be casting into Gehenna. Yea, I am saying to you, of this One be afraid!"
Again,
As a Christian Universalist, I believe that we should warn of the judgments of God and I have always shared that I believe that many will experience hell, but I do not believe that eternal hell is the final destination for those who experience the severe judgments of God. I also don't believe that Gehenna refers to an eternal hell. I believe that many will suffer loss, dishoner, anguish, torment but I also believe that this will result in their eventual subjection that God may dwell in them also. See the difference? Many will miss out on experiencing eonian life in this age and in the next age, many of the Jewish leaders who were anticipating this. God bless
Shana, you are avoiding the question, and with good reason. It doesn't "fit" with the UR viewpoint of predestination, satan's power, etc.
The one Jesus is speaking of is the devil. Here is a verse that is similar in Matthew:
Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
The reason you didn't answer the question is that it poses several problems. First of all, why would Jesus tell us to "fear" someone, if we had no choice in the matter regarding our destination? In this case, Jesus would be saying "You need to be afraid of this person, but there is nothing you can do." Illogical. No, it is clear that Jesus is warning us to be wary of the devil's tactics.. because he is the one who will lead us to hell.. which implies a choice on our part.
Shana, you are avoiding the question, and with good reason. It doesn't "fit" with the UR viewpoint of predestination, satan's power, etc.
The one Jesus is speaking of is the devil. Here is a verse that is similar in Matthew:
Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
The reason you didn't answer the question is that it poses several problems. First of all, why would Jesus tell us to "fear" someone, if we had no choice in the matter regarding our destination? In this case, Jesus would be saying "You need to be afraid of this person, but there is nothing you can do." Illogical. No, it is clear that Jesus is warning us to be wary of the devil's tactics.. because he is the one who will lead us to hell.. which implies a choice on our
Hi Cg81, I believe that Jesus is referring to Himself or God, not the devil and I thought that was obvious from the scriptures posted. I did not realize that you believe that this refers to the devil. How can the devil cast one into Gehenna? What is Gehenna? You have lost me here, really! I will go back and check out the context here. God bless.
Hi Cg81, I believe that Jesus is referring to Himself or God, not the devil and I thought that was obvious from the scriptures posted. I did not realize that you believe that this refers to the devil. How can the devil cast one into Gehenna? What is Gehenna? You have lost me here, really! I will go back and check out the context here. God bless.
I agree that it could fit either God or the devil.. but the "fear" it is talking about would sooner fit the devil (as wanting to destroy us) rather than God. Either way, tho, it implies that there is a recourse.. Jesus didn't simply tell us to fear something with no way out.
So the question still remains.. why did Jesus say that?
Well, if this does refer to the devil, he may be able to destroy us but I don't believe that it is a permanent situation since Jesus came to abolish the works of the devil. The devil will not have eternal power to destroy someone forever. God may give him the authority to destroy just as He gave him the authority to afflict Job, but God has the ability to restore. I don't believe that evil and its influence will last forever and ever or all would not be subjected to the Lord. There is a way out, I believe, for those individuals to whom Jesus was speaking. They could go the right way or go the hard way and if they went the hard way, they would suffer the consequences. Paul said that it was a terrible thing to fall into the hands of the Living God. I just don't see that this is an eternal situation. God bless.
Being cast into Gehenna, I believe referred to a physical situation applicable to the Jewish audience that Jesus was speaking to. I believe that there was a way out for them as far as being cast into Gehenna. I do know that some believe this to be used in the figurative sense also as far as experiencing the judgments/ corrections of God. But for all those who experience the severe judgments of God, I believe that they will eventually be restored to God. The creation/creature is to eventually be delivered from the slavery to corruption and changed into the glorious freedom of the children of God. (Romans 8) All are to be summed up/reunited (Ephesians 1) in Christ, so no I do not believe that whatever hell they experience is an eternal condition. God bless.
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Here is the answer again, Cg81. 
