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The one important Greek term is the last one mirroring verse 26 in English. Click on that blue Greek term "alalhtoiV" and at the bottom beneath the division giving the Greek terms with definitions, it will give that definition for that Greek term as it reads below:
alalhtoiV or alaletos
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from a - a 1 (as a negative particle) and a derivative of lalew - laleo 2980; unspeakable:--unutterable, which cannot be uttered.
That means no sound at all is being uttered which is in relations to the Holy Spirit making intercessions.
Romans 8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
That means the groanings are not uttered at all; and thus no sound is being made here.
So the next question is how does the intercessions of the Spirit's are made known if He cannot utter them?
That is why verse 27 exists in connection with verse 26 to explain how His intercessions are made known.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
So there is Another Person that knows the mind of the Spirit in making His unspeakable intercessions known to God the Father which is in according to the will of God because there is only One Mediator between God and men, specified as the man Christ Jesus;
1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
The same Person that knows the mind of the Spirit is the same One that searches our hearts as testified elsewhere.
Hebrews 4:12For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.14Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.
That is why " itself " was used in Romans 8:26 because the Holy Spirit is not making these intercessions by Himself at all as it is the Son that knows the mind of the Spirit that intercedes on behalf of the Spirit.
Only the Son can present intercessions to the father so that when the Father says "Yes.." to any of those intercessions, the Son answers the prayers so that the Father may be glorified in the Son for answered prayers.
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.....13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
This is important because in all of these movements of the "Spirit" and those that seek another baptism of the Holy Ghost with evidence of tongues, they pray to the Holy Spirit to come and fall on them.
Understanding how the Holy Spirit has His intercessions known to the Father by the Son and how prayers are given to the Father to be answered by the Son and why, proves that the Holy Spirit is not answering those prayers, let alone using tongues as a prayer language as if He has His own words to pray to God.
Romans 8:26-27 of the King James Bible lines up with John 16:13 which all modern Bibles testify of that the Holy Spirit CANNOT speak for Himself or have His own words to say to pray back to God by.
John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. KJV
John 16:13 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth; for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.RSV
John 16:13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. NIV
John 16:13 But when the Spirit of truth comes, he will lead you into all truth. He will not speak his own words. He will speak only what he hears and will tell you what will happen in the future. ERV
John 16:13 But when He, the Spirit of Truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth [full and complete truth]. For He will not speak on His own initiative, but He will speak whatever He hears [from the Father—the message regarding the Son], and He will disclose to you what is to come [in the future]. AMP
You can check other Bible versions at Bible Gateway to confirm this truth of John 16:13 in all modern Bibles so that you may know that they did noyt translate Romans 8:26-27 right in that modern Bible. Only the KJV has it right in lining up with the truths in other scripture.
If any one tries to defend Romans 8:26-27 in their modern Bible, then you are saying "Did God really say that?" in your denial of the truth in John 16:13 in that modern Bible you are defending.
So...As usual, you do not want to do the work, so you steel someone else's work and say, "Hey, this guy thinks the same as me!"...
But, I figured that out 30 years ago...Nothing new...
You are not a believer in the Lord Jesus Christ, and so nothing new about your reply.
If you set the standard, then you have to live by it. If you do not live by it, then you hand out hypocritical judgment. Jesus told believers; "Judge not les ye be judged, by the measure that you judge, you shall be judged." Most believers stop right there to use that as a means to stop believers from judging one another, but if they had read on, Jesus was talking about not being hypocritical when judging as in correcting others. Jesus said to remove the plank from their own eyes first before removing the mote in their brother's eye. So that is not Jesus telling no one to judge, but to not be hypocritical about it when you do.
All I did was zero in on one Greek term that everybody keeps overlooking, as obviously the modern translators did, but not the translators of the KJV nor the 1599 Geneva Bible either ( even though some of their marginal notes are in error in that 1599 Geneva Bible )
So unless you have a different definition for alaletos, you are not really doing any work in your reply. Indeed, I did more work for establishing this OP for other believers to give pause for a just cause to research this topic on their own with the Lord's help and His wisdom since it hangs on exposing a work of darkness running unchecked and thus running amok across the denomenational divide as gathering grapes of thorns and figs of thistles.
The real indwelling Holy Spirit will always keep the spotlight on the Son in the worship place.
Seducing spirits will not, but to bring attention to themselves for believers to take their eyes off of the Son to go chasing after them to receive for a sign. These be the spirits of the antichrist.
Antichrist as it is used in the scripture means that which takes the place of Jesus as being the Christ. It does not really mean "against" Jesus, but it means taking the place of the Son in worship, even for a moment. This is how spiritual adultery or spiritual fornication is committed by the bride when relating to God the Father by another way than the only way of the Son, the Lord Jesus Christ aka the Bridegroom.
Feel free to show off your stuff by addressing the Greek term alaletos or remain as you are.
You are not a believer in the Lord Jesus Christ, and so nothing new about your reply.
If you set the standard, then you have to live by it. If you do not live by it, then you hand out hypocritical judgment. Jesus told believers; "Judge not les ye be judged, by the measure that you judge, you shall be judged." Most believers stop right there to use that as a means to stop believers from judging one another, but if they had read on, Jesus was talking about not being hypocritical when judging as in correcting others. Jesus said to remove the plank from their own eyes first before removing the mote in their brother's eye. So that is not Jesus telling no one to judge, but to not be hypocritical about it when you do.
All I did was zero in on one Greek term that everybody keeps overlooking, as obviously the modern translators did, but not the translators of the KJV nor the 1599 Geneva Bible either ( even though some of their marginal notes are in error in that 1599 Geneva Bible )
So unless you have a different definition for alaletos, you are not really doing any work in your reply. Indeed, I did more work for establishing this OP for other believers to give pause for a just cause to research this topic on their own with the Lord's help and His wisdom since it hangs on exposing a work of darkness running unchecked and thus running amok across the denomenational divide as gathering grapes of thorns and figs of thistles.
The real indwelling Holy Spirit will always keep the spotlight on the Son in the worship place.
Seducing spirits will not, but to bring attention to themselves for believers to take their eyes off of the Son to go chasing after them to receive for a sign. These be the spirits of the antichrist.
Antichrist as it is used in the scripture means that which takes the place of Jesus as being the Christ. It does not really mean "against" Jesus, but it means taking the place of the Son in worship, even for a moment. This is how spiritual adultery or spiritual fornication is committed by the bride when relating to God the Father by another way than the only way of the Son, the Lord Jesus Christ aka the Bridegroom.
Feel free to show off your stuff by addressing the Greek term alaletos or remain as you are.
And this is pretty typical of Christians too, when they think that they know what they are talking about, they resort to baiting....
Point that I was making was that I figured this out about 30 years ago...Pentecostals will apply that to a private prayer language (which, strangely, others can hear this unutterable language)...
Antichrist as it is used in the scripture means that which takes the place of Jesus as being the Christ. It does not really mean "against" Jesus, but it means taking the place of the Son in worship, even for a moment.
I know that you'd like to think that this is the case, but it is not...Again, stop reading other's opinions and learn the Greek, Hebrew and Aramaic...
And this is pretty typical of Christians too, when they think that they know what they are talking about, they resort to baiting....
Any discussion in a thread should be about the OP, but instead, you had addressed me and made the topic about me.
So next time you reply, contain it to the OP or don't reply at all.
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Point that I was making was that I figured this out about 30 years ago...Pentecostals will apply that to a private prayer language (which, strangely, others can hear this unutterable language)...
This "private prayer language" comes about by apostasy; where they experience what they believe is the Holy Spirit coming over them again, bringing tongues that never comes with interpretation. This usually prompts other believers to chase after those seducing spirits to receive after that sign of tongues or other chaotic sensational sign in the flesh in receiving them which includes a loss of self control in falling down.
That was not the Holy Spirit coming over them again the second time in bring that prayer language.
2 Corinthians 11:1-4 warns against any one preaching another Jesus or another spirit to receive.
1 John 4:1-6 warns believers not to believe every spirit but test them; the spirit of the antichrist is in the world as in outside of us whereas Jesus Christ is in us; greater is He that is in the believer than he that is in the world; so that of any saved believer experience the second spectacular phenomenon of a spirit coming over them bring whatever signs to entice others to chase after it for a sign, they will know that is not the Holy Spirit.
But many have their conscience seared and because of errant translations in modern Bibles, they are under the impression that the Holy Spirit can speak for Himself IN SPITE of John 16:13 in that modern Bibles, and so they gloss over it as if God did not really mean that and apply their experience to that errant translation in Romans 8:26-27 that the Holy Spirit can speak for Himself by turning God's gift of tongues which was of other men's lips for speaking unto the people in using it as a prayer language.
So the prophesy of 1 Timothy 4:1-2, is coming true as apostasy abounds because all modern Bibles turn against the truth of John 16:13 in that modern Bible to embrace the apostasy of seeking to receive spirits again for a sign. Is it not hypocrisy to acknowledge that you have received your guest in your home and yet you keep looking out the door to receive your guest? All the more is it as hypocrisy to God, and not just a false witness and not just a departure from the faith in Jesus Christ being in us.
1 Corinthians 14:20-22 testifies that tongues will never serve as a sign to saved believers that they had received the Holy Spirit "again" and so therefore it is not the Holy Spirit they are receiving after a sign.
Tongues as in God's gift of tongues of other men's lips to speak unto the people are to serve as a sign to unbelievers; it is not to serve as a sign to saved believers that already have received the promise of the Spirit from the Father by faith in Jesus Christ at their salvation to seek after that born again event again.
I know that you'd like to think that this is the case, but it is not...Again, stop reading other's opinions and learn the Greek, Hebrew and Aramaic...
If you consider what is happening in the scripture when a spirit of the antichrist comes...taking their eyes off of the Son in worship in glorifying Him and by Him, God the Father; but instead focus on the Holy Spirit in seeking to receive Him "again" after a sign, that is what an antichrist does; taking the place of Christ.
If antichrist really meant "against Christ" then how is it that believers are taken unaware?
In this warning to not believe every spirit; is the warning against false prophets coming into the churches.
1 John 4:1Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.
1 Timothy 4:1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
These 2 references with Matthew 7:13-27 and Luke 13:24-30 where believers are led astray by false prophets by broadening the way that includes the worship of the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son so that when seducing spirits come in when the focus is on the Holy Spirit in worship, they chase after those seducing spirits as they fall down in these movements as Jesus pointed out in Matthew 7:24-27.
So in spite of all the "miracles" professed by the saved believers in Matthew 7:21-23 in referring to these movements of the "spirit", they were in iniquity because we can only honor the Father by honoring the Son ( John 5:22-23 ) and because of that iniquity, they left themselves wide open for seducing spirits to come into the worship place to lure many believers from focusing on the Son in worship and thus had fallen away from the faith in chasing after those spirits to receive again after a sensational sign in the flesh.
They are in danger of being left behind at the pre trib rapture event, but if they turn to Jesus Christ and ask for help in discerning good & evil regarding this second phenomenon to see the truth for what it is that it is contrary to our faith and the simplicity of the gospel that the 2nd phenomenon is not of Him, then may the Lord lead them to shun vain & profane babbling and pray normally so that they may know what they had prayed for to give the Father thanks in Jesus's name for answered prayers.
As it is, Paul spoke of this falling away from the faith in 2 Thessalonians 2nd chapter wherein he reminded believers when they had received the sanctification of the Spirit and the belief of the truth which was at the hearing of the gospel; and Paul went onward in the third chapter explaining how some will be wicked men that have departed from faith and from the traditions taught of us and thus has become disorderly as many of these movement of the "spirit" are, as we are commanded to withdraw from fellowship from those that have gone astray, but not to treat them as the enemy, but admonish them as brothers still.
So antichrist is that which takes the place of Christ misleading saved believers by falling from the faith that Jesus Christ is in us by going astray in chasing after seducing spirits to receive again and again and again for a sign; thus " instead of Christ " as opposing being "against Christ".
Believers are aware of those that are against Christ; but believers are asleep when something or someone takes the place of Christ in going astray.
They need to return to their first love and rest in Him, trusting Jesus to keep their eyes on Him in seeking His face and NOT seeking seducing spirits to receive after a sign, thus being like the five foolish virgins out to the marketplace to be filled again when they are filled in the first place to be received by the Bridegroom. The call of repentance to seek the face of the Bridegroom all the time is how one avoids any spirit or any one in taking the place of the Son Whom is the Christ, because the Bridegroom is coming soon as all believers should have eyes on Him all the time, especially in worship.
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