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Got any PROOF to counter that? Huh, do ya??? Facts don't like you. My views are shared by millions of Christians so let's stop this pathetic desert island tactic right now.
Ever seen a globe, jeff?
There's more to it than the US of A. But I realize your worldview is narrow and limited, and never far removed from your navel.
Just because a verse in the same chapter means pagan worship doesn't automatically tie homosexuality to that practice. The OT plainly speaks how homosexuality destroyed other nations. NOT pagan worship.
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Originally Posted by Jerwade
What other nations? Or, are you merely blinded by your prejudistic views?
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Originally Posted by jeffbase40
You would have to be blind to read this verse and say it has absolutely nothing to do with homosexuality.
"That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. "
Romans 1:26
"You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination" Lev. 18:22
Sorry, it doesn't say anything that you have to be in a pagan temple first.
What nations have been destroyed because of human sexuality?
Got any PROOF to counter that? Huh, do ya??? Facts don't like you. My views are shared by millions of Christians so let's stop this pathetic desert island tactic right now.
Calm down. Nobody said your views aren't shared by millions. They are. There are other millions who do not share that view. The Episcopal Church, the Presbyterian Church USA, the Evangelical Lutheran Church of America, Quakers, UU, and Reform Jewish all support Same Sex Couples on one way or another. That's pretty significant. Recently the United Methodist church was in such turmoil over the issue that the denomination will probably split, with American congregations breaking off to support Same Sex couples. Their view was overridden by African churches at their convention.
You would have to be blind to read this verse and say it has absolutely nothing to do with homosexuality
"That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. "
Romans 1:26
"You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination" Lev. 18:22
Sorry, it doesn't say anything that you have to be in a pagan temple first.
Conservative Christians often tell others that they must read the verses in context. I'll let others argue verses with you, but I do know that reading those chapters from the beginning gives you a different picture of what is being said that you get from reading one verse isolated.
Discrimination is not even occuring here. The owners treat them the same as everyone other customer requesting a product for the services that they support. If the gay person asked for a wedding cake for a straight wedding and was refused because the owner doesn't like gay people then and ONLY then do you have discrimination. But no, the gay person is asking for CUSTOM product. That's different.
Once you support the government FORCING people to do things against their will then what's the stop the government from forcing you to do something you don't like? You just opened the floodgates to tyranny. America is no longer free.
Discrimination is most definitely occurring here. The Oregon cake shop was found to be in violation of that states anti-discrimination statute, and the Washington state florist was told by the court that selling flowers was not a religious practice. You don't get to redefine what discrimination means. The courts, even through multiple levels of appeals courts, have determined that discrimination did indeed occur.
Got any PROOF to counter that? Huh, do ya??? Facts don't like you. My views are shared by millions of Christians so let's stop this pathetic desert island tactic right now.
Show us your proof to counter this statistic from Pew---from 2019!!
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Support for same-sex marriage has steadily grown over the past 15 years. And today, support for same-sex marriage remains near its highest point since Pew Research Center began polling on this issue. Based on polling in 2019, a majority of Americans (61%) support same-sex marriage, while 31% oppose it.
Calm down. Nobody said your views aren't shared by millions. They are. There are other millions who do not share that view. The Episcopal Church, the Presbyterian Church USA, the Evangelical Lutheran Church of America, Quakers, UU, and Reform Jewish all support Same Sex Couples on one way or another. That's pretty significant. Recently the United Methodist church was in such turmoil over the issue that the denomination will probably split, with American congregations breaking off to support Same Sex couples. Their view was overridden by African churches at their convention.
And the current national leadership of the UMC hasn't decided on how to approach the issue of our popularly elected regional bishop who is a lesbian. She still is in charge.
The Western Jurisdiction of the United Methodist Church, defying denominational doctrine against homosexuality, has elected an out lesbian bishop (Karen Oliveto).
A break is coming and I THINK, not positive, that the majority of UMC members in the U.S. will remain in a new UMC or will change their name to something more affirming.
Dr. Oliveto was the senior pastor at Glide United Methodist Church in San Francisco with over 12,000 members before becoming the Regional Bishop of the Western Jurisdiction.
Here is a short video on how she was elected. Although it was 100% unanimous, but it took 17 votes of the delegates. Toward the end of the video it shows the vote count for each individual for the seventeen ballots.
Of course, the jeffie's of the world will say the meeting was full of blacks, Asians, and (his guess) a lot of "homos" so that it couldn't have been "fair."
There are huge numbers of people in the UMC who have founded the Reconciling Ministries Network, a grassroots organization of members who are intent on moving the UMC into the 21st century by welcoming LGBTQ people.
Among Methodists unity has never meant uniformity---up until the bigots began insisting their way was the only way.
There's more to it than the US of A. But I realize your worldview is narrow and limited, and never far removed from your navel.
The Catholic church has 1.285 billion people worldwide. Try again. Besides doesn't your ilk love to brag how Christianity is dying worldwide? To suggest that only a tiny minority oppose homosexuality is ludicrous.
Calm down. Nobody said your views aren't shared by millions. They are. There are other millions who do not share that view. The Episcopal Church, the Presbyterian Church USA, the Evangelical Lutheran Church of America, Quakers, UU, and Reform Jewish all support Same Sex Couples on one way or another. That's pretty significant. Recently the United Methodist church was in such turmoil over the issue that the denomination will probably split, with American congregations breaking off to support Same Sex couples. Their view was overridden by African churches at their convention.
Compared to Baptists, Southern Baptists, Pentecostal (280 million) , Catholics (1.2 billion), I would say hundreds of millions share my view. That's pretty significant. Your numbers are not.
Or are you going to get our POTUS to declare a national emergency to halt gay marriages?
When are you going to get it through your head that I am done with you? D O N E. You told me to burn in hell as well as posted lies that I am a gay man. i will NEVER engage in a conversation ever again with someone who posts such disgusting filth. My only responses to you will be to remind you that it's over. You crossed a line that will never be uncrossed unless you apologize.
So go ahead and pretend that we are having a conversation. Only makes you look silly.
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